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Old 12-27-2008, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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The Arab world doesn't feel that Israel, as a state, has the right to exist, and continually cite the expulsion of non-Jewish individuals in the late 40's. The problem with this, however, is that the particular strip of land, now known as Israel, is one of the most conquered regions in the world. Before the modern Israelis were there, it was largely Arab (though with a large number of Christians and Jews). The Arabs, however, were themselves conquerers. Throughout history, the region has been controlled by Rome, The Byzantine Empire, the Israelites, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, and the Assyrians. The Israelites have the longest-standing modern claim on region, although they replaced the Canaanites (although the Israelis may have originally been themselves Canaanites).

Bottom line? Nobody is in the right, and the answer to the question "Who fired first?" is lost to history. Also, this isn't something you can couch in the language of an 'eye for an eye.' If you provoke a people (by indiscriminately killing civilians) who have a modern military and a reputation of ferocity, you'd better expect a heavy-handed and brutal response. Which, in reality, is probably their intention. The lopsided figures of dead Israelis to dead Palestinians are certain to make Israel look bad and garner pity for Palestine from the rest of world. Judging by some of the posts here, I'd say it's working.

 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Yes. And all the rest of them are flat-out ****ed, which is why they tend to do things like blowing up pizzerias.
Oh, yes. That's the reality of Palestinian youth.

They blow up so fast these days...
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The lopsided figures of dead Israelis to dead Palestinians are certain to make Israel look bad and garner pity for Palestine from the rest of world. Judging by some of the posts here, I'd say it's working.
The palestinians count on that and have used the media for just that purpose - to garner sympathy and make Israel out to be the bad guy.

I'll never forget that video of some palestinians supposedly in a funeral march - when the Israel chopper came into view/hearing, they dropped the box/coffin and out jumped a palestinian - they all ran for their lives. It was funny and displayed the level of media savvy they have. They are inherent liars.

Here it is;

http://www.israelinsider.com/channel.../dip_0204.htm#

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Old 12-27-2008, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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It was funny and displayed the level of media savvy they have. They are inherent liars.
Saying any ethnic group are "inherent" anything is racist and isn't that a TOS issue?
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:33 PM
 
Location: New York City
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It was funny and displayed the level of media savvy they have. They are inherent liars.
Suppose this was true, does it change the fact that Israel is a state of racist, fascist zionist nazis?

And stop acting like the media is on their side. If it was truly on the Palestinian side, the vast majority of the western world would be anti-Israel. The media is so pro-Israel it's not even funny. This could have to do with much of the media being controlled by zionists in America. But what I do know is that on decent-paced news days, tens of Palestinian civilians can be killed and it wouldn't be near a top foreign headline, whereas an Israeli child is killed and it's one of CNN or Fox News top stories.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And stop acting like the media is on their side. If it was truly on the Palestinian side, the vast majority of the western world would be anti-Israel. The media is so pro-Israel it's not even funny. This could have to do with much of the media being controlled by zionists in America. But what I do know is that on decent-paced news days, tens of Palestinian civilians can be killed and it wouldn't be near a top foreign headline, whereas an Israeli child is killed and it's one of CNN or Fox News top stories.
Where have you been hiding, under a rock?

The world is extremely anti-Israel, especially Europe. They have a pro-palestine tilt that is unbelievable - this latest story is evidence of that. Just a passing mention of what started it all - the palestinians. Instead they sensationalize and play up the number of dead Hamas members.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Saying any ethnic group are "inherent" anything is racist and isn't that a TOS issue?
That would be true if ethnicity and race were synonymous, which they are not.

For example: your craven loathing for Jews is not racist. It is, however, regrettable in a normal thinking person, unless of course I am making an unwarranted assumption.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:44 PM
 
Location: New York City
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That would be true if ethnicity and race were synonymous, which they are not.

For example: your craven loathing for Jews is not racist. It is, however, regrettable in a normal thinking person, unless of course I am making an unwarranted assumption.
Jews aren't really a race or an ethnicity, as neither are Christian or Muslim. They're all religions. Israelis are a nationality of people of, for the most part, Ethiopian, Russian, Yemeni, and Eastern European descent.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Jews aren't really a race or an ethnicity, as neither are Christian or Muslim. They're all religions. Israelis are a nationality of people of, for the most part, Ethiopian, Russian, Yemeni, and Eastern European descent.
Which was the point of the first portion of my post.

Thank you, Mr. Freak.
 
Old 12-27-2008, 06:49 PM
 
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The media is so pro-Israel it's not even funny. This could have to do with much of the media being controlled by zionists in America.
Of course it's pro-Israel. Jewish-Americans control the largest media corporations, and pornography companies, in America.

Jewish-Americans, and their lobbying groups such as AIPAC & the ADL, put Israel and the tribe first, America and her interests second.
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