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I for one am so embarassed at how the republican party and it's supporters have handled our loss of power in this country. You would think we see the writing on the wall that Americans are tired of what we are living in and focus on ways to make our party a better party for America in 2012. But no, we are more focuses on throwing dirt around and digging into conspiracies about Ice Storm relief in Kentucky! Are we serious? Is this what our party has become? I go to my local republican breakfast and I see a bunch of old men who are grumpy and set in thier ways. They dont want to change...why? Lets look at the American people and find out what we need to do to become the great party we once were and not the whining, crying, sore losers we look like right now!
Your premise is that most Americans voted for OB's kind of Socialism and change for America, and we should just "get over it", when he actually only had a 53% majority. Hardly any kind of mandate for what we are seeing.
We have every right to be critical and call it like we see it. The man is not going to change America for the better, but for the worse. Just look at this so-called "stimulus" billl, which is filled with nothing but PORK, and will do NOTHING for the economy but make things worse.
Especially at issue is the fact that it was DEMOCRAT policies that got us here in the first place! It wasn't Republicans that created the sub-prime market. We have Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to thank for our current situation. And all the Democrats who have been involved are still in charge!
These people created the problem; what makes us believe they can or will fix it? If government spending could fix things, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in right now.
We have every right to be critical and call it like we see it. The man is not going to change America for the better, but for the worse. Just look at this so-called "stimulus" billl, which is filled with nothing but PORK, and will do NOTHING for the economy but make things worse.
If all you have is copy & paste skills, you didn't EARN the right to be critical. What's PORK? What's STIMULUS? You don't know. The other hundred and forty eight knee-jerkers who have posted exactly the same thing don't know either.
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
Especially at issue is the fact that it was DEMOCRAT policies that got us here in the first place! It wasn't Republicans that created the sub-prime market. We have Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to thank for our current situation. And all the Democrats who have been involved are still in charge!
Uh, the subprime market was created in 1980, when federal law preempted restrictive state usury laws. It was given boosts in 1982 and a huge one in 1986, when Reagan eliminated the tax deduction for all personal interest except home mortgage interest. A huge impetus to connect any sort of debt at all to home equity was thus created. Clinton forced covered banks and S&L's to conform to CRA by lending back into the low- and moderate-income communities that they took deposits from. Between 1993 and 2000, a reasonably substantial portfolio of CRA loans was built up.. That portfolio has performed BETTER than industry averages. Essentially, this crisis is a purely Republican-manufactured crisis...except in the pages of desperate right-wing mythology manufactured by people such as Thomas DiLorenzo of the right-wing Mises Institute in a frenzied attempt to shift blame off of Bush and onto Democrats, Bill Clinton if at all possible. All the crap you've read about Democrats blocking "reform" were actually referring to Dem resistance to Bush's attempts to wedge the GSE's out of the secondary mortgage markets, thus creating more playground room for his good friends, the Wall Street cowboy capitalists who were in the process maximizing their own profits while destroying the global financial system.
Maybe people should know some of this before they go off pontificating...
If I were a Republican it would terrify me. I would seriously start considering either forming a new party or trying to get the Democrats to move to the right, but staying in the Republican Party would be simply untenable.
But as a Democrat, I am sending a check to Palin's Pac in the hope that she will be the GOP nominee in 2012.
They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Can anyone possibly compare Palin to the likes of Barry Goldwater? If these two names side by side does not prove that the Republican party has morphed into something freaky and foul I don't know what does.
If all you have is copy & paste skills, you didn't EARN the right to be critical. What's PORK? What's STIMULUS? You don't know. The other hundred and forty eight knee-jerkers who have posted exactly the same thing don't know either.
Uh, the subprime market was created in 1980, when federal law preempted restrictive state usury laws. It was given boosts in 1982 and a huge one in 1986, when Reagan eliminated the tax deduction for all personal interest except home mortgage interest. A huge impetus to connect any sort of debt at all to home equity was thus created. Clinton forced covered banks and S&L's to conform to CRA by lending back into the low- and moderate-income communities that they took deposits from. Between 1993 and 2000, a reasonably substantial portfolio of CRA loans was built up.. That portfolio has performed BETTER than industry averages. Essentially, this crisis is a purely Republican-manufactured crisis...except in the pages of desperate right-wing mythology manufactured by people such as Thomas DiLorenzo of the right-wing Mises Institute in a frenzied attempt to shift blame off of Bush and onto Democrats, Bill Clinton if at all possible. All the crap you've read about Democrats blocking "reform" were actually referring to Dem resistance to Bush's attempts to wedge the GSE's out of the secondary mortgage markets, thus creating more playground room for his good friends, the Wall Street cowboy capitalists who were in the process maximizing their own profits while destroying the global financial system.
Maybe people should know some of this before they go off pontificating...
Yes, to a majority of the parrots on these boards, "pork" is something to barbecue and "stimulus" is something with sexual overtones. The really do not have clue. They will vote against their own best interests every time.
Yes, to a majority of the parrots on these boards, "pork" is something to barbecue and "stimulus" is something with sexual overtones. The really do not have clue. They will vote against their own best interests every time.
On Rachel Maddow tonight it was said that only 1% of the bill was even being criticized as being "pork", to put it in perspective.
1% pork. Only 12% spent in the first fiscal year according to the CBO. $200 Billion of it recurring cost if you want the program to continue. There is hardly a limited group of people opposed to the bill.
1% pork. Only 12% spent in the first fiscal year according to the CBO.
Only by dividing first year outlays by total deficit impact. That's a little apples-and-oranges-ish. On an outlays basis, the rest of FY2009 is 17%, on a deficit impact basis it's 21%. 100% is meanwhile the total effect between now and the end of FY2019. Given that four months of FY2009 are already gone, that the bill hasn't passed yet, and that there will certainly be some time required for start-up and implementation, the FY09 numbers are actually pretty good...
I give him credit for coming out strong against Daschle no matter how extravagant his resume. The woman dropped out on her own so that's not Obama's fault at all. At this point if anything as he has played it out Obama is a victim of optimism. Saying you are going to clean up Washington is much easier than actually cleaning up Washington. I would be really happy if he shunned Rangle and the pork in the bill no matter what %. You can't argue $400 million of pork is okay for the bill but $400 million for a private CEO is bad. Both should be considered a waste in times of severe economic afflictions.
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