Mr Prez, how will you feel when..aborts (statistics, insurance, elect)
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In fact, if Roe v. Wade were today, it would likely be a 5-4 decision. Abortion would probably be ruled a "right," but it sure wouldn't be 7-2.
Your "right" to buy contraception legally and do what you like in the privacy of your own house would still be "ruled a right," too. A tenuous grip at 5-4, but you'd still have it...barely.
My mom would be sad if I had an abortion not because she's losing a grand child but because I had to make that choice.
I had a dream last night I was pregnant and all throughout the dream I kept thinking I need to find a place that will give me an abortion.
How I ended up pregnant is beyond me...I'm a lesbian who doesn't have sex with men and my girlfriend and I have no plans to ever have children.
If I had a daughter and she had an abortion, I wouldn't be sad at the loss of a grandchild.
To think someone would be sad over an abortion because they lost a grandchild, that just seems sad to me.
If you define your life over the presence of grandchildren...
Sad....just sad.
Dont dream too much crazy **** girlfriend.
I too said the same thing. If my grand daughter had an abortion, I would first of all be concerned about her well being. Not the "grandchild"
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Originally Posted by delusianne
You're back to admitting you would control women's decisions, then.
Positions on abortion are "hardly" based in religious beliefs, or align with a political position? Separately or combined they're both ideological stances.
Jesus. If there were ANY laws that controlled men, they would be throwing hissy fits and crying.
Wuss.
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Originally Posted by delusianne
Since you dont mind the idea of government intrusion ("The government does control men's decisions and women's decisions in many cases already"), how about if the Obama Administration mandates that anti-choicers start adopting more unwanted children, faster, from the less trendy social and economic groups first. Each anti-choice household adopts a minimum of 3 children who would otherwise have been aborted. You maintain the mom throughout her pregnancy and support the kids until they're 18. It might be a little more expensive than it's costing you in tax dollars now, but it might help you appreciate the plight of the poor.
I would sooo support Obama if he did that. LOL!!!!
Jesus. If there were ANY laws that controlled men, they would be throwing hissy fits and crying.
And you think there aren't any?
There are laws that tell me what I can and can't put in my body.
Sure I can use alcohol and tobacco until I'm blue in the face, but the government dictates that I can't smoke pot or shoot heroin or snort coke. And it's MY body.
There are also laws that tell me I have to protect MY body in a car by putting on a seat belt.
There are many more examples of laws that control me even when my conduct would have no direct effect on others.
There are laws that tell me what I can and can't put in my body.
Sure I can use alcohol and tobacco until I'm blue in the face, but the government dictates that I can't smoke pot or shoot heroin or snort coke. And it's MY body.
There are also laws that tell me I have to protect MY body in a car by putting on a seat belt.
There are many more examples of laws that control me even when my conduct would have no direct effect on others.
You know exactly what I mean. Banning abortion would just impact women. These laws impact both.
And you dont have to follow those rules. Smoke some pot or shoot heroin in your house. I know people who do it. Have not got busted to this day.
I'd like to, ideally, see unwanted pregnanices prevented in the first place. I don't care if we have to hand out contraceptives like candy to do it.
If the number of unwanted pregnancies went down by 90%, there'd be no need for these mass adoptions.
You never answered my question about government intrusion. Why don't you support banning government intrusion that already exists in areas other than abortion?
How about those other 10% of pregnancies? If there are a million or so ABs in the US every year, that's only 100,000 you have to put your money where your mouth is and adopt.
Dont even have to let them into your home - just pay for them. At the same time that you're paying for the abstinence programs and free contraception and advertising and delivery thereof to prevent the other 90%.
And why stop at the US borders? You guys were angry about US taxpayer money going to fund birth control and ABs in other countries. Why not the anti-choicers sign on with the UN to adopt or support children who otherwise would have been aborted from all around the world? That'll put your complacent "worldview" into perspective
Im just saying, prove your commitment - put your money where your mouth is and adopt, or otherwise support, some kids to age 18.
How about those other 10% of pregnancies? If there are a million or so ABs in the US every year, that's only 100,000 you have to put your money where your mouth is and adopt.
Dont even have to let them into your home - just pay for them. At the same time that you're paying for the abstinence programs and free contraception and advertising and delivery thereof to prevent the other 90%.
And why stop at the US borders? You guys were angry about US taxpayer money going to fund birth control and ABs in other countries. Why not the anti-choicers sign on with the UN to adopt or support children who otherwise would have been aborted from all around the world? That'll put your complacent "worldview" into perspective
Im just saying, prove your commitment - put your money where your mouth is and adopt, or otherwise support, some kids to age 18.
delusiannem WOW!
EXCELLENT points! I will for sure use this in debates I have in real life.
Isn't odd that the government is pro-life when it comes to suicide? Try to kill yourself and the government will intervene. The police will stop you from killing yourself and save you when you try. A judge would have you committed to a state hospital for observation.
I guess women really can't do whatever they want with their bodies. Men can't either...
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