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Old 06-12-2009, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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From my post above:
"PS - and for those who buy the BS argument that Hitler was a Socialist because the NAZI party was called the National Socialist party - that's a load of cr*p. What it was called doesn't matter. It's what it DID that counts. Anything else is just PR. Hitler was a Fascist which places him on the RIGHT - that's why he was allied with Fascist Italy (which was on the Right - the term Fascist was even coined about Italy) and AGAINST the Communist USSR (which was on the Left)."

Folks on the Left are NOT anti-semitic and are not AGAINST Israel - nor against Jews, they are FOR a more balanced foreign policy approach and a realization that BOTH SIDES have legitimate arguments and that until those argument are ALL addressed there will be no lasting peace. Even Bush came to realize that.

Ken

PS - see the links in post#37
The bunch of crap is rewriting history. How can you deny that Hitler was a socialist? He was a member of the German Socialist Party, and that's how he became supreme leader. Aren't the US KKK, skin heads, etc., and also a minority of German Nazi-sympathizer anti-Israel, anti-Jew, and deniers of the Holocaust (just like the leader of Iran)? Aren't you aware that most US Christians back Israel 100%?

In my view you are confused about the whole thing. There are extremists on both sides, left and right. It doesn't mean, however, that the right nor the left agree of sympathize with the extremists.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:01 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Ok, I'm a "left wing liberal" I don't have the slightest problem with disassociating myself from the ultra left, be they communist, eco-terrorist, or any fringe movement who advocates violence to advance their ideas, but it seems that time after time, conservatives have a real tough time doing the same regarding violent anti-abortionist, white supremacist, or general ultra right lunatics. I would think that an intellectually honest conservative wouldn't have the slightest problem with castigating the fringe elements of their political side of the aisle, so what's up with that?
"White supremacists" are not "right wing". They are leftists! They are "Jew haters", etc. This is not "right wing"!

The recent killings at the holocost museum were done by a "leftist extremist".

"Right wingers" do not kill abortion doctors either. You can call them what you want, but they are not "right wing extremists"!

The vast majority of the "hate" today is coming from the left. Have you forgotten what they accused George Bush of? Hitler? Nazi? Neo-con (code for Jew, or Jew lover)! This is all coming from the "left". Not the right.

This is your party the Democrats, that are fomenting this hatred. Not the Republicans!

If you want to know the truth, this guy has more in common with Obama than he does with anyone on the Right. Shall we mention Jeremiah Wright? This was Obama's pastor for 20 years. A black liberation theologist (basically communist/marxist). "Them Jews..." Wright said a couple of days ago.

Pay attention. And get a life!
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:10 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Tim McVeigh was an anti Federal Government terrorist. The Unabomber was a leftist environmentalist (there are right wing environmentalists, too).
FYI -McVeigh was a registered Republican (though I seem to recall reading that he considered himself a Libertarian)

CNN.com - Timothy McVeigh - March 29, 2001

Ken
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:10 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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They feel victimized, and so they become hypersensitive to most criticism. It's not just right-wingers who behave this way. It happens to all kinds of groups who feel like they're not being treated fairly.
Again, this OP has it all wrong, and so does the so-called "mainstream" (stateist) media: The guy was an extreme LEFTIST! That's what "white supremists" are.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:12 PM
 
Location: The Butte
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Too many faux news watchers on this thread. twisty twist.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:20 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'm not a member of any "wing"...I find myself quite conservative in some issues, moderately liberal in others, and pretty much on my own in still others.
Purely as a discussion, I'm not sure I agree with your original premise. When I think of a normal 'conservative', (i.e., not a 'kook', just a conservative), I normally don't think of these folks condoning any of the hateful, or violent, or racist behavior of right-wing 'wackos'. I don't see that connection at all, any more than your own self-proclaimed liberal position puts you in sympathy with THOSE 'wackos'.

The only difference I DO see, is that there is a distinct liberal bias in MOST of the media (a few years ago, as I recall, 85% of news reporters and media employees described themselves as moderately, or even DECIDEDLY, liberal). For THAT reason, I believe there's a decided 'sympathy' in the media for causes associated with the left, whereas causes we think of as 'conservative' get a lot more scrutiny, a lot less sympathy, and a generally less favorable write-up. I don't think it's humanly possible for most people to be TOTALLY objective, and if indeed it's true that the media has a strong preponderance of liberal-thinking members, I can see where that would put conservatives 'on the defensive'.

But no, I don't get the feeling conservatives are unwilling to 'disasociate' themselves from right-wing 'nut cases'....It could be that maybe they're very seldom ASKED to do so.....Just a guess on my part, though.
While I agree with most of your post, you failed to point out that this guy (the "white supremacist" murderer") was anything but "right wing". He was a leftist in every sense of the term, and most especially because of his hatred for Jews, which is 180 degrees removed from so-called "right wing" views, which are conservative. Why else do they refer to us as "neo-cons"?
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think the extremists on both sides have become so vocal about their beliefs and so rigid in their views that their views become that of the party and the party gets labelled as such.

Others (middle of the road or tending a bit to the right or left) in either party are not as loud and are more willing to compromise but the rigid, vocal extremists drown them out.

Just my 2 cents. Most folks I talk to are in the quiet majority...a slight leaning towards one side or the other but not extremists and not rigid in their views of what is right and just in America.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The bunch of crap is rewriting history. How can you deny that Hitler was a socialist? He was a member of the German Socialist Party, and that's how he became supreme leader.
Sorry buddy, it's you and Rush who are re-writing history. Standard political spectrum has Communists on the Left, Fascists on the Right. Germany was a Fascist state - and was allied with the OTHER Fascist state (Italy) against the Communists.

Traditional Right-Left model: http://www.worldnewsspectrum.com/European.jpg

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a minority of German Nazi-sympathizer anti-Israel, anti-Jew, and deniers of the Holocaust (just like the leader of Iran)? Aren't you aware that most US Christians back Israel 100%?
Right and Left isn't simply defined by support for Israel. Get real.
Nor are NAZI's simply defined simply by a hatred of Jews - they dislike ALL non-White races.

Which party is the one made up of mostly old WHITE males?
I'll give you a clue - it's the one on the RIGHT.
Which party has the most minorities?
I'll give you another clue - it's the one on the Left.

Ken
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:28 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The bunch of crap is rewriting history. How can you deny that Hitler was a socialist? He was a member of the German Socialist Party, and that's how he became supreme leader. Aren't the US KKK, skin heads, etc., and also a minority of German Nazi-sympathizer anti-Israel, anti-Jew, and deniers of the Holocaust (just like the leader of Iran)? Aren't you aware that most US Christians back Israel 100%?

In my view you are confused about the whole thing. There are extremists on both sides, left and right. It doesn't mean, however, that the right nor the left agree of sympathize with the extremists.
To say nothing of the fact that the fascism we see today is coming from the left; i.e. Obama and his policies, and his willing accomplices in the Democrat Party in Congress.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:29 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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While I agree with most of your post, you failed to point out that this guy (the "white supremacist" murderer") was anything but "right wing". He was a leftist in every sense of the term, and most especially because of his hatred for Jews, which is 180 degrees removed from so-called "right wing" views, which are conservative. Why else do they refer to us as "neo-cons"?
The Left doesn't "hate Jews".


Which party got the CLEAR MAJORITY of the Jewish vote in EVERY SINGLE Presidential election back to 1924 (Obama got 78%)?

Jewish Vote In Presidential Elections

If the Left was anti-semitic they sure as heck wouldn't be getting their vote.


Ken
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