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Old 11-09-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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lol..and Repbulicans expect people to believe that race isnt a driving factor in their protest of this President.
Considering they opposed Clinton when he proposed a similar program and considering they wanted Colin Powell as the republican candidate on several occasions then I would say that it is stupid to think republicans oppose national health "care" because Obama is black.

I think that dems opposed Bush because of race. After all they opposed Iraq and Afghanistan when he was in office. Now that Obama is in they are fine with it. Don't even mind expanding into Pakistan and Iran. Dems based all their opposition to Bush on race. Must have. No other explanation.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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The teabaggers should be ignored until they learn how to debate rationally and respectfully. In the meantime they just sound like a bunch of paranoid children who base their entire argument on emotion & talking points rather than facts. They'd also have a lot more credibility if they would've protested higher taxes & more government when Bush was in office.
I agree with your last sentence. And unfortunately, this also means that reasonable opposition to Obamacare is being lumped in with the crazies. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't appear to making any distinction, either, and deliberately so. It's easier to ram through your policies when you can just dismiss your opponents with a stereotyping wave of the hand.

But yes, where were these people decrying socialism and lost rights while Bush passed the Patriot Act, ran up the national debt, sent out stimulus checks, added prescription coverage to Medicare, supported No Child Left Behind, and started the national takeover of banks and mortgage lenders?

Some intellectual honesty and political consistency among the populace would be nice for a change.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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Over 50%?

Please...

I honestly think the teabaggers are a tiny minority. But a minority with big mouths. And small minds.
More than 50 percent of the American public oposes the health "care" proposals that have been presented.

I assume that's what the OP meant.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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I don't think Obama has done very much at all to split the country. I think a lot of very unhappy people are doing everything they can to exploit this split though. And while I would never say that even the majority of people who are unhappy with our President are racists, I think that a significant minority are quite outspoken in their disdain for Obama, and this is quite sad.

I can certainly recall some things that Bush said and did that struck me as rather elitist, and certainly arrogant. His signing statements were redolent with arrogance.

I wish that Obama would take more advisors and input from the Midwestern region of this country, and that such advice and information would give him a more balanced perspective than what he's getting from the East Coast network he tends to favor, but it's not exactly like any of the Presidents we've had in the past century have strayed far from the East Coast influence peddlers.
Your and my views don't exactly coincide but judging from your posts you are a very reasonable, sound person.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:03 PM
 
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Today's NY Times - a story by Jackie Calmes reporting on remarks by Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D) of Oregon following the meeting with the President.
Well, you gave me enough to find the Blog you were referencing:

Lawmakers Detail Obama’s Pitch - Prescriptions Blog - NYTimes.com

Notably, Obama didn't use the term "teabaggers" at all. And he never said anything about ignoring them. Asking the Representatives if they thought they would lose votes if they voted for the health care plan was a cogent political point that the opponents to the health care plan were unlikely to be supporters of Democratic representatives to begin with. In other words, you can't lose votes you didn't have to begin with.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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More than 50 percent of the American public oposes the health "care" proposals that have been presented.
I'm willing to bet, most of them have bought into the lies. It works! It has worked for eons. It worked for Hitler. It works for politicians today.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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Considering they opposed Clinton when he proposed a similar program and considering they wanted Colin Powell as the republican candidate on several occasions then I would say that it is stupid to think republicans oppose national health "care" because Obama is black.

I think that dems opposed Bush because of race. After all they opposed Iraq and Afghanistan when he was in office. Now that Obama is in they are fine with it. Don't even mind expanding into Pakistan and Iran. Dems based all their opposition to Bush on race. Must have. No other explanation.
They might have...but we'll never know because there is no basis for that "thought". I mean sure, you can "think" they were opposed to Bush because of his race all you want. Anyone can make allegations of "racism" with no basis, thats easy (ask Kanye West..lol)..But the reference to Obama's race by his opposition has been both vocal and visible. And has been acknowledged as such by some of the very people who are a part of his opposition. Thought and suspicions take a backseat to tangible evidence.

But hey, maybe there was a sign or some other effigy addressing Bush's race, that apparently no one saw...oh God, another "conspiracy" eh?
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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More advisors from the Mid-west? Why do I keep seeing people call Chicago the center of the mid-west? He has way too many advisors from his old Chicago bunch, many of who belonged to the New Party there when he did.
I think DC was referring to what most call "fly-over country" and not Chicago even though it is physically located in the MidWest. Forgive me if you think I'm speaking for you DC.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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So, 52% of Americans are now "conspiracy theorists"?



Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports™

Oh and by the way...you're in dubious company with the other 12% of people polled who believe opposition to this bill is rooted in racism.

Who said that I thought that his opposition is "rooted" in racism? I said racism is a driving factor (meaning one of several) in the opposition to Barack Obama. This is why the bias of Rasmussen Polls is hotly debated. When you misquote or redirect the context of a comment, it apparently changes the meaning of the poll's question quite a bit.

I think this is also why many people disagree with this President. His words, comments, and intentions are spun so vastly and wildly, that if Im not careful, Ill feel compelled to go buy a bag of tea myself..lol for a while there I thought he was the anti Christ too..lol
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:12 PM
 
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Wow, I guess I'm really out of mainstream society. Since when did the term "Teabaggers" become a derogatory term meaning genitals? I'm really getting old I guess.
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