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What if America was split into two countries: One is run by Democrats. The other is run by Republicans. Neither are allowed immigration from either side, just tourist visas.
Which one would you live in?
(BTW, the Republican nation would be a pure Republic, without Medicare/Medicaid and any other Democratically-driven social programs.)
I think there already are 2 countries and have been for a while. Both live by different rules and opportunies.
How long do you think the respective honeymoon phases would last until the new countries split in to two ideological camps of roughly equal sizes? To say that people split in to two camps that agree with each completely is ridiculous. I don't know who would split first, the Republicans between the libertarians and the theocrats or the Democrats between the union/working crowd and the intelligentsia.
No matter how small the country or how similar the people, democracies will always find something to divide the population. If it's a winner-take-all style election that split will almost always be in two. Maybe there'd be a year or two of complete agreement but I think the foundations would crack during the partition. I don't think I could really predict how it would crack (that's just my guess above), but someone would want to get elected and would try to position his or her side against the evil other side. Eventually we'd end up back where we are now.
Anyway, what's wrong with contentious politics? I think its good ideas have to be changed and adjusted and compromised to be accepted. It beats the non-democratic alternative.
How long do you think the respective honeymoon phases would last until the new countries split in to two ideological camps of roughly equal sizes? To say that people split in to two camps that agree with each completely is ridiculous. I don't know who would split first, the Republicans between the libertarians and the theocrats or the Democrats between the union/working crowd and the intelligentsia.
No matter how small the country or how similar the people, democracies will always find something to divide the population. If it's a winner-take-all style election that split will almost always be in two. Maybe there'd be a year or two of complete agreement but I think the foundations would crack during the partition. I don't think I could really predict how it would crack (that's just my guess above), but someone would want to get elected and would try to position his or her side against the evil other side. Eventually we'd end up back where we are now.
Anyway, what's wrong with contentious politics? I think its good ideas have to be changed and adjusted and compromised to be accepted. It beats the non-democratic alternative.
I agree with you in that, there will always be division in any group of people. Just like there are disagreements in your own family. But do you think there is as many differences within your own family as there are across the entire country? The people of New York don't want the same things as the people from California or Michigan. The only reason they are all democrats is because they have to stay United to get elected. And the people of Michigan may even have to endure some changes that they don't even agree with, just because they have to stand behind the democratic party for political reasons.
Do you think Michigan has the same feelings for immigrants as California?
Do you think Michigan has the same feelings for gay marriage as New York?
Do you think California or New York cares as much about unions as Michigan?
If we had a completely autonomous California then the divisions could only be focused on the divisions of the state itself. The governments focus in all respects could be focused on the people of California, rather than having to worry about the national politics.
Like someone mentioned before, Arkansas always votes Republican in national elections, but they almost always have a democratic governor. Did you know that the governor of one of the largest bastions of Republicanism, Oklahoma, also has a democrat for a governor? How can this be? Because the democrats of Oklahoma and Arkansas are not the democrats of California and New york, and the Republicans of New York and California are not the Republicans of Oklahoma and Arkansas. But in national politics we are forced to be one entity.
For some reason the lawyers that argue the laws, and the judges, are paid better than the people sent out to enforce the laws. In fact, I'd count lawyers among the wealthy conservatives...along with used car dealers.
In fact, I'd count lawyers among the wealthy conservatives...along with used car dealers.
Just because you're wealthy lawyer doesn't make you conservative. The reason I include lawyers under Democrats is because the single biggest contributor to political campaigns is lawyers and an overwhelming amount of those contributions goes to Democrats.
2008 to Dems: $178,368,663
2008 to Reps: $54,332,611
If you look at any other industry nothing even comes close, you could for example combine every interest in the medical industry and they all wouldn't add up to those amounts.
What if America was split into two countries: One is run by Democrats. The other is run by Republicans. Neither are allowed immigration from either side, just tourist visas.
Which one would you live in?
(BTW, the Republican nation would be a pure Republic, without Medicare/Medicaid and any other Democratically-driven social programs.)
Republican all the way. And you can be certain I'd never apply for a 'tourist' visa to the democrat country.
I'd live on the Democratic side for the Health Care, Social Security and Productivity, but I'd go to the Republican side for the cheap goods produced by slave wage workers and tax free goods. I wouldn't let the sight of the poor starving in the streets bother me.
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