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Old 12-08-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: NC
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Fewer people, fewer poor, more safety nets for the poor.

Fill in those 3 requirements, and the crime rate for any nation will go down.
I agree with that, gun laws have little to do with it. Just as Switzerland is a very safe place with its easy access to firearms Singapore is also extremely safe with its almost complete ban on civilians having access to firearms.
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Old 12-08-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Yup, they issue you the ammo in a sealed package and check it when you report for duty to ensure you haven't used it.

They are phasing it out due to the number of suicides and violence committed with the military issued guns.

Every time this "SWITZERLAND GUN LAW" youtube/chain email gets reposted... it usually stems from an email that started circulating based on an article written in 1990 - prior to many changes made to Swiss law. It's titled something like "What America could learn from Switzerland". It's outdated. But no one bothers to do their research.

Maybe they're so safe because their citizens have access to 100% Universal Healthcare and a great welfare system
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Why is there near universal access to military rifles and ammunition? In a way America has similar gun laws to those of Switzerland. Any law abiding American can get access to an M-16 and ammunition much in the same way any law abiding Swiss citizen can get a SIG 550...by joining the Military. The only difference is that in Switzerland its compulsory.
Yes, I'm not sure how I'd feel about compulsory service. That's another topic in itself. I just wanted to express that other factors play a role in the violence in the U.S. I'd rather we address the other factors than create more rules.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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peddy crime.
Perhaps you need that college education to help you spell. "Peddy" crime, LOL.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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Compare that with places in the US. Less guns in affluent areas...which are safer than poorer areas with MORE guns. Quality of life plays the biggest role.
I do agree with the quality of life issue. And the Swiss DO have a good quality of life. However, you have to understand that the country is not diverse and therefore you don't have a lot of different ideals and agendas floating around out there. It's easier to promote a good quality of life if everyone is on the same page.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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With near universal access to military style rifles and ammunition, don't they have severe problems with drive-bys, school shootings, mass killings and liquor store robberies?
Apparently they are not as motivated as Americans to commit such crimes.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Apparently they are not as motivated as Americans to commit such crimes.
Why not? What is it about the U.S. and not Switzerland that incites people to shoot their classmates, join violent gangs, and otherwise terrorize the rest of society?

And it's not as simple as poverty or healthcare. (Not that those aren't issues that should be addressed.)
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:38 AM
 
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Why not? What is it about the U.S. and not Switzerland that incites people to shoot their classmates, join violent gangs, and otherwise terrorize the rest of society?

And it's not as simple as poverty or healthcare. (Not that those aren't issues that should be addressed.)
Because they are as different as night and day.

Switzerland is a small country- about the size of New Jersey with less people. Its an extremely wealthy nation. It has not fought a war since Napolean although it is a very martial state in many ways. Mostly, it is a static society.


The US is a massive country characterized by multiple dynamic societies. Switzerland borders 5 wealthy nations. The US is the only 1st world country that borders the chaos and poverty of the 3rd world. Switzerland has immigration, but its quite restricted. The US has been melting pot since day one. Switzerland does not have 13 percent of its population descended from slavery. Switzerland is very orderly and controlled. The US is constantly in flux.

There it is.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We visited Switzerland many years ago. It was the most civilized place I have ever been even if a soldier was carrying an assault rifle on the railroad. For a neat description of Switzerland read John McFee's book "La Place de la Concorde Swiss".

If the Swiss were invaded by a million man army they would only have to shoot once because there is not room for another million people in Switzerland. I can only wish I could afford to visit more.
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Old 12-09-2009, 08:45 AM
 
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Because they are as different as night and day.

Switzerland is a small country- about the size of New Jersey with less people. Its an extremely wealthy nation. It has not fought a war since Napolean although it is a very martial state in many ways. Mostly, it is a static society.


The US is a massive country characterized by multiple dynamic societies. Switzerland borders 5 wealthy nations. The US is the only 1st world country that borders the chaos and poverty of the 3rd world. Switzerland has immigration, but its quite restricted. The US has been melting pot since day one. Switzerland does not have 13 percent of its population descended from slavery. Switzerland is very orderly and controlled. The US is constantly in flux.

There it is.
Switzerland is more concerned with keeping things orderly within its own borders. Switzerland doesnot have 13 percent of its population descended from slaves for a reason:There was no slavery in Switzerland. They had nothing to do with colonization. Switzerland isn't out to colonize or enforce its will on anyone else and expects the same from others. Perhaps that is why Switzerland is the way it is.
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