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Liberals love to make Switzerland out to be the utopian socialist society, and think that it is the model of socialism. The reality is that switzerland is probably one of the most conservative countries in Europe, both socially and fiscally. Their healthcare system is not truly 'UHC' in the sense that everyone is covered for small amounts of tax payer donations. Their healthcare system works by mandating everyone without healthcare who is capable of affording it, buy it. Everyone who is not able to gets a small subsidy towards getting insurance. This is NOT UHC! This is incentivised healthcare. Health insurance companies are privately owned and operated, and so is the medical industry.
Switzerland as well as Austria are models of conservatism, not liberalism. Their society, unlike ours, is very intolerant of a multi-ethnic, multi-race population. Because of this, tension among people is low. Outsiders are looked at like outsiders, and are made to feel like outsiders.
So if you liberals want an example of liberalism, Denmark is your location.
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Liberals love to make Switzerland out to be the utopian socialist society, and think that it is the model of socialism. The reality is that switzerland is probably one of the most conservative countries in Europe, both socially and fiscally. Their healthcare system is not truly 'UHC' in the sense that everyone is covered for small amounts of tax payer donations. Their healthcare system works by mandating everyone without healthcare who is capable of affording it, buy it. Everyone who is not able to gets a small subsidy towards getting insurance. This is NOT UHC! This is incentivised healthcare. Health insurance companies are privately owned and operated, and so is the medical industry.
Switzerland as well as Austria are models of conservativism, not liberalism. Their society, unlike ours, is very intolerant of a multi-ethnic, multi-race population. Because of this, tension among people is low. Outsiders are looked at like outsiders, and are made to feel like outsiders.
So if you liberals want an example of liberalism, Denmark is your location.
Switzerland may be conservative in European scale, but still WAAAYYYY left of US Democrats. In other words Dems in US are more conservative than the Swizz.
Switzerland may be conservative in European scale, but still WAAAYYYY left of US Democrats. In other words Dems in US are more conservative than the Swizz.
That is incorrect. Dems are all about compelling diversity onto others. The Swiss don't like diversity unless the people who are being integrated are immediately and unconditionally willing to assimilate into their way of life. The Swiss are also more volunteer based in terms of paying for mass transit as well as UHC, as the poster has articulated. It's utter BS to even think for a second that Dems are somehow more conservative. Perhaps religiously, but not much else.
Switzerland is more concerned with keeping things orderly within its own borders. Switzerland doesnot have 13 percent of its population descended from slaves for a reason:There was no slavery in Switzerland. They had nothing to do with colonization. Switzerland isn't out to colonize or enforce its will on anyone else and expects the same from others. Perhaps that is why Switzerland is the way it is.
Switzerland did not partake in slavery? Why thank you for informing me of that! God knows what I would do without you!
Swiss neutrality, while beneficial in many respects, is a very elastic as well as hypocritical concept. It also engenders a strong sense of xenophobia. So strong, in fact, that you would not be regarded as squat there.
Switzerland did not partake in slavery? Why thank you for informing me of that! God knows what I would do without you!
Swiss neutrality, while beneficial in many respects, is a very elastic as well as hypocritical concept. It also engenders a strong sense of xenophobia. So strong, in fact, that you would not be regarded as squat there.
Actually, from what I know of Swiss people from personal contacts, the culture is accepting of new people AS LONG as the people act exactly like the existing populous. This is also confirmed in literature and guidebooks I have read. Even though the culture is technically xenophobic, it does have an immigration policy and once past the "probation phase", you are very much welcome in their society. As they say, trust is earned.
That is incorrect. Dems are all about compelling diversity onto others. The Swiss don't like diversity unless the people who are being integrated are immediately and unconditionally willing to assimilate into their way of life.
Diversity is not a Dem vs Rep issue, it is simply the American culture. The Swizz have decided to smack the Jews and Muslims in the mouth, and that is their right, but that would never fly in US, because it is simply against the Constitution.
Actually, from what I know of Swiss people from personal contacts, the culture is accepting of new people AS LONG as the people act exactly like the existing populous. This is also confirmed in literature and guidebooks I have read. Even though the culture is technically xenophobic, it does have an immigration policy and once past the "probation phase", you are very much welcome in their society. As they say, trust is earned.
To that I say BS. The Swiss are probably the most racist of all Europeans. Even other whites are suspect.
Diversity is not a Dem vs Rep issue, it is simply the American culture. The Swizz have decided to smack the Jews and Muslims in the mouth, and that is their right, but that would never fly in US, because it is simply against the Constitution.
I'm talking about gangbangers, ebonics, introducing spanish into the culture nefariously, magnet schools, and other liberal diversity policies. It's just spin to suggest these are "American" values. Liberal policies tend to enforce diversity on others, similar to how the French are allowing the Muslim population to enter without properly integrating. Conservative values are entrenched in "borders, language, culture". Considering there were riots in Paris and Copenhagen not too long ago, I'd say the diveristy policy is meeting with little success.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there anything about the Swiss sending Jews and Muslims to camps? If not, then there's nothing unconstitutional about what they did and we have no provisions in our constitution to force a level of diversity. In short, I disagree there is any link to what the Swiss do and what is unconstitutional here.
We visited Switzerland many years ago. It was the most civilized place I have ever been even if a soldier was carrying an assault rifle on the railroad. For a neat description of Switzerland read John McFee's book "La Place de la Concorde Swiss".
If the Swiss were invaded by a million man army they would only have to shoot once because there is not room for another million people in Switzerland. I can only wish I could afford to visit more.
I agree. I've visited a couple of times and thought pretty much the same thing. It's certainly a very clean and beautiful country, aside from seeing people shooting heroin in the city parks.
I agree. I've visited a couple of times and thought pretty much the same thing. It's certainly a very clean and beautiful country, aside from seeing people shooting heroin in the city parks.
Meh, a little heroin here and there beats meth labs and crack houses spotted throughout America. Also, the cold and harsh climate is sure to off these people sooner rather than later. Problem solved!
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