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Old 04-20-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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that is exactly the problem with liberals yet again. they see the people as NOT QUITE SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE THINGS OUT FOR THEMSELVES and so nanny government actually needs to step in.

that arrogance is going to cost liberals/ progressives on election day.
Why is it that every single issue must be boiled down into a nonsensical argument about liberals vs. conservatives. Give it up. Both liberals and conservatives are laying up in hospital beds dying heart disease and hypertension.

My mom is a dietitian who works with people dying of kidney failure. Most of her patients have absolutely no clue about the realities of their salt intake. She regularly talks about how her patients say things like oh, I never use salt, and I don't own a salt shaker, but they completely fail to realize that the cup of tomato sauce they used on their pasta has over 400mg of sodium per 1/4 cup meaning that they just ate over 1600mg of sodium in the course one one meal (when the range is should be 1500-2400mg per day).

Of course she explains all of this, but the average person (who does not have the benefit of a dietitian speaking with them in their daily lives) really has no clue about this either. It would be one thing if we could all look around and say that people are living healthy lives, but that is simply not the case. Obesity and other health issues are getting out of control is this country, and this is simply a matter of public health.

NPR just recently talked about this issue on their program Day to Day, and I suggest people listen to this if you have not already done so. It sums up these issues nicely.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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My doctor has told me that high sodium does lead to increase risk for high blood pressure.

I've been advised not to have over a 100 grams (or maybe it was kg) a day.

Problem if you read labels, foods are made with way over that 100 figure.

Our foods are killing us with the high salt and fructose corn syrup.
Good grief your doctor advised and you still aren't sure?
No wonder so many want the nanny state to regulate it for them.
Personal responsibility is such short supply nowadays
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:25 PM
 
Location: So. Cal
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I am a conservative and I think it would be great if food was made with far less salt than is being used now, I make most of my own meals and buy low sodium food at a health food store.
I wish I could find more low sodium foods at my local supermarket but they don't stock much.

As for people not being smart enough to look out for their own well being, I think both sides of the political spectrum suffer from that problem. The RDA for a 2000 calorie diet is I believe 2400mg of sodium, I think that is still too high, I try and stay closer to 1500mg.

I will be 50 soon so I have seen big changes in the weights of average Americans, when I was a kid it was rare to see more than a few fat kids and now I see about half of them around here are way over weight. I see more people now who are obese in one day at a store than I used to see in a whole year. A salt shaker is very easy to use, if you don't like the idea of less salt in your food, well I think you can figure out how to add some more.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Good grief your doctor advised and you still aren't sure?
No wonder so many want the nanny state to regulate it for them.
Personal responsibility is such short supply nowadays
Just as making biased, ignorant statement seems to be at an all time high.

Thanks to my doctor informing me about diet and nutrition, I have drastically changed my diet by eliminating most fast food restaurants from my patronage and making sure to read labels at the supermarket to know what I'm putting in my body and what to watch out for.

By the way, you seem to be against the "nanny state" controlling our foods but why are you not equally as critical of the agricultural oligopoly that not only dominates the agri-market but also receives billions in tax payer subsidies and bailouts.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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I am a conservative and I think it would be great if food was made with far less salt than is being used now, I make most of my own meals and buy low sodium food at a health food store.
I wish I could find more low sodium foods at my local supermarket but they don't stock much.

As for people not being smart enough to look out for their own well being, I think both sides of the political spectrum suffer from that problem. The RDA for a 2000 calorie diet is I believe 2400mg of sodium, I think that is still too high, I try and stay closer to 1500mg.

I will be 50 soon so I have seen big changes in the weights of average Americans, when I was a kid it was rare to see more than a few fat kids and now I see about half of them around here are way over weight. I see more people now who are obese in one day at a store than I used to see in a whole year. A salt shaker is very easy to use, if you don't like the idea of less salt in your food, well I think you can figure out how to add some more.
Well said...I appreciate a Conservative who actually thinks and formulates their own opinion rather than putting partisanism before morality now more than ever. It's not just because I agree with you on this, I just find it refreshing even when someone disagrees with me but has valid points rather than just animosity and hatred toward the government. Everything is not part of a conspiracy to take away freedom. If you want to slowly kill yourself with salt, you are still FREE to pour it on and yes the health issues that we face because of the food we eat is not a partisan issue.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:42 PM
 
Location: So. Cal
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My doctor has told me that high sodium does lead to increase risk for high blood pressure.

I've been advised not to have over a 100 grams (or maybe it was kg) a day.

Problem if you read labels, foods are made with way over that 100 figure.

Our foods are killing us with the high salt and fructose corn syrup.
He most likely said 1000mg, or 1 gram, there are 454 grams to a pound, a kg is about 2.2 pounds. If your doctor is restricting your sodium that much you will have trouble finding foods other than fruits and vegetables that you can eat at a normal supermarket.
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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The criticisms of the FDA are hilarious. Some people would probably argue for no food labeling whatsoever - all in the name of "keeping government out of their lives".
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Old 04-20-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Why is it that every single issue must be boiled down into a nonsensical argument about liberals vs. conservatives. Give it up. Both liberals and conservatives are laying up in hospital beds dying heart disease and hypertension.

My mom is a dietitian who works with people dying of kidney failure. Most of her patients have absolutely no clue about the realities of their salt intake. She regularly talks about how her patients say things like oh, I never use salt, and I don't own a salt shaker, but they completely fail to realize that the cup of tomato sauce they used on their pasta has over 400mg of sodium per 1/4 cup meaning that they just ate over 1600mg of sodium in the course one one meal (when the range is should be 1500-2400mg per day).

Of course she explains all of this, but the average person (who does not have the benefit of a dietitian speaking with them in their daily lives) really has no clue about this either. It would be one thing if we could all look around and say that people are living healthy lives, but that is simply not the case. Obesity and other health issues are getting out of control is this country, and this is simply a matter of public health.

NPR just recently talked about this issue on their program Day to Day, and I suggest people listen to this if you have not already done so. It sums up these issues nicely.
this entire move to control sodium is an issue presented by liberals, that is why. Sure, we know sodium can add to heart trouble and high blood pressure but it alone does not cause either desease and people today are living longer, healthier and more active lives than ever before. this does not mean conservatives do not choose a healthy diet, in fact they probably do as often or more so than others, but my objection is forcing laws down our throats and yes, liberals do not think we can think for ourselves, they are notorius for wanting to watch over everyone.

As for obesity and other conditions getting out of control, look at the sugar added to everything even some old fashion cold cereals and how about kids spending most of their waking hours in front of the TV or computer when not in school: what happened to mandatory PE in all grades, K through 12. In fact even in college we had to take a couple of units of PE. I think every semester in lower devision. What happened to the 2 recess scheduled at school daily plus plenty of time at lunch to play kick ball, hop scotch, dodge ball or teather ball for starters? How often do you see kids riding their bikes or walking to school or friends houses?

What about all the foods with fillers and all the prepared ready to eat entrees and snacks on the market? Do most liberals shy away from purchasing these things? I think not. My degree is in foods and nuitrition (I admit I graduated 200 years ago) but I still keep up. No, sodium isn't the number one thing we should be concerned about, beleive me...plus the governmnet needs to stay out of our lives, we do not need a nanny state..we are adults, and are able we make our own choices. I do agree, most people do not realize how much sodium is in many foods, this still doesn't give the state the right to pass laws controlling what we do or do not do.

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Old 04-20-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in food products.

washingtonpost.com

Another example of gov we know whats best for you. You make your own choices pfft you arent smart enough

Wake up people seriously
The FDA in all it's wisdom, does not think folks have access to a salt shaker - every salt addict has one
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Old 04-20-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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They'll get my salt shaker when they pry my cold dead fingers from it.
FREEEEEDOM (think of the movie Brave-heart)
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