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Old 06-01-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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IT'S DON'T Ask Don't Tell, Don't Harass. I THINK MOST PEOPLE Forget about the last part, the Rule was put in effect not to discourage Gays, just to protect them from Harassment that they may receive from Straight Military members. Don't Tell and Don't ask a person Sexual orintation and you will not have a problem that's the idea with the US Military.
Not exactly. It was a compromise. Clinton originally pushed for repealing the ban on Gays serving in the Military, however he was not able to get what he wanted and then agreed to Don't Ask Don't Tell as part of a compromise. Btw, how many people who ask do you think gets thrown out of the Military compared to those who tell. Its long past time for the repeal.
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Old 06-01-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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I wonder how The Family Research Council did the research on this.
From the Pentagon Report. A link to that report is in the FRC article.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:20 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Mostly half truths and opinions . Many of these ' rapes ' are claims by women in the military who get knocked up or are willing and blame it on rape. Another reason women should not be in combat .

And to compare the black race with perversion is simply a big insult to the black race .
The comparison that I was making was when the powers to be would not let blacks serve alongside with whites during the war. It took a congressional proclaimation for them to intergrate the military. This is what I meant when I made the statement
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:25 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Let's see, where do I start?

---for some reason,lesbians are not as threatening as males---

apples to oranges
lesbians don't share the same barraks as males


---rape is not a crime of sex--

Most rapes the criminal has an orgasm and leaves DNA

How often does that happen in burglaries,armed robberies, or assault ?
The arguement as a whole is against HOMOSEXUALITY in the military in general but the people that make the loudest noise are always mentioning men and not women.

Leaving evidence has absolutely nothing to do with WHY it happened! I repeat rape is a crime of POWER and not SEX. In otherwords rapist do it for control reasons and not for sexual gratification
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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The arguement as a whole is against HOMOSEXUALITY in the military in general but the people that make the loudest noise are always mentioning men and not women.

Leaving evidence has absolutely nothing to do with WHY it happened! I repeat rape is a crime of POWER and not SEX. In otherwords rapist do it for control reasons and not for sexual gratification

sexual gratification ( male orgasm) is just a side effect ?

Never heard of any male having an orgasm during a murder, armed robbery, assault, etc.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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IT'S DON'T Ask Don't Tell, Don't Harass. I THINK MOST PEOPLE Forget about the last part, the Rule was put in effect not to discourage Gays, just to protect them from Harassment that they may receive from Straight Military members. Don't Tell and Don't ask a person Sexual orintation and you will not have a problem that's the idea with the US Military.
The simple fact is, someone shouldn't be kicked out of hte military because their sexuality was found out. Either by them telling someone, or someone finding out behind their backs.

There shoul d be no negative consequences for what kind of mate you take in your personal life. Being homosexual should not be a disqualifier for military service.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:35 PM
 
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sexual gratification ( male orgasm) is just a side effect ?

Never heard of any male having an orgasm during a murder, armed robbery, assault, etc.
I'm officially just staying out of the DADT debate because it's causing me stress and giving me headaches in real life. If the pro-DADT crowd is trying to win this like boxers try to win in just tiring out the other side, you may have a chance of winning. Absolutely insufferable.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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The simple fact is, someone shouldn't be kicked out of hte military because their sexuality was found out. Either by them telling someone, or someone finding out behind their backs.

There shoul d be no negative consequences for what kind of mate you take in your personal life. Being homosexual should not be a disqualifier for military service.
The tide of public opinion is in favor of repeal of DADT and chances for its repeal are good. A gay enlists in the military knowing what the rules are. If he/she doesn't want to abide by them, he/she shouldn't be enlisting. If he/she voluntarily reveals his/her sexual orientation, he/she is asking to be booted out. If his/her sexual orientation is revealed against his/her will....well....that is unfortunate, but until the rule is changed, that's the way it is.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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The tide of public opinion is in favor of repeal of DADT and chances for its repeal are good. A gay enlists in the military knowing what the rules are. If he/she doesn't want to abide by them, he/she shouldn't be enlisting. If he/she voluntarily reveals his/her sexual orientation, he/she is asking to be booted out. If his/her sexual orientation is revealed against his/her will....well....that is unfortunate, but until the rule is changed, that's the way it is.
I understand that's how the rules are, but the rules are discrimatory and wrong. They can even be used for bisexual people. I'm very glad that it seems that DADT is going to be repealed, however.

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Old 06-01-2010, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The tide of public opinion is in favor of repeal of DADT and chances for its repeal are good. A gay enlists in the military knowing what the rules are. If he/she doesn't want to abide by them, he/she shouldn't be enlisting. If he/she voluntarily reveals his/her sexual orientation, he/she is asking to be booted out. If his/her sexual orientation is revealed against his/her will....well....that is unfortunate, but until the rule is changed, that's the way it is.
Yes, we know those are the rules, but it doesn't make it right.
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