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I am glad to see alot of logical people understanding the weight and severity of the crimes at hand. But there are either a lot of teenage boys on this site who don't have adult perspective or alot of adults who don't have adult perspective. And they seem to be talking based out of their own sexual fantasies, not a reality of what did happen in their lives.
There is a reason why our society decided adults sleeping with younger teens is a crime. Because of the imbalance of power, the predatory nature of these relationships and the high potential for psychological damage to the VICTIM!
I believe boys and girls in their teens are willing to agree to a sexual relationship with, even pursue a sexual relationship with adults for the same reasons. Protection, status, access to alcohol/driving/cigs, a pseudo parental love, feeling "grown up", freedom from rules they have at home, rebellion, a need to belong. The adults are predators. They seek out teens who have these needs and they give them the things they want in return for sex and fulfilling some disturbing unmet need they have (for which there is therapy out there to help them if they choose). WE as a society have a really messed up way we look at these relationships.
I want all those out there who think its lucky of the boys abused to research grooming, cycle of shame and guilt, STDs and pregnancies, and then have a son, wait until he is 15 and then come back and post.
Teen boys and girls need to be having sexual experiences with others of their age and level of experience and maturity (give and take) for it to be a healthy growth in sexuality.
Teen boys and girls need to be having sexual experiences with others of their age and level of experience and maturity (give and take) for it to be a healthy growth in sexuality.
Teens are not ready for sex...period! Sure younger boys want to experience and often they go to whorehouses and stuff to get their "virginity" out, perhaps that's the best method, but still, there is much to learn in life.
If you want teen boys and girls having sexual encounters give 'em the proper education first. Hormones are to be controlled.
Society teaches us we can have sex whenever we want...whatever we want...and we are paying the price for that mistake.
Sex must involve feelings, mature sex that's it. Teenagers may have the urges but not the knowledge or the maturity.
Education is not only from school or their church, is from their PARENTS mostly...
Most of those "sexual predators" (women and men) are people with serious mental problems.
Teens are not ready for sex...period! Sure younger boys want to experience and often they go to whorehouses and stuff to get their "virginity" out, perhaps that's the best method, but still, there is much to learn in life.
If you want teen boys and girls having sexual encounters give 'em the proper education first. Hormones are to be controlled.
Society teaches us we can have sex whenever we want...whatever we want...and we are paying the price for that mistake.
Sex must involve feelings, mature sex that's it. Teenagers may have the urges but not the knowledge or the maturity.
Education is not only from school or their church, is from their PARENTS mostly...
Most of those "sexual predators" (women and men) are people with serious mental problems.
I didn't mean just sex, I was talking more broadly, kissing, holding hands, dating, etc. I agree, teens are not ready for sex. I should have been more clear in what I meant
Victim can go in quotes just as rape could in the situation described. Statuatory rape and rape are two completely different things. One is lack of consent, other is lack of legal consent. One involves the use of force, the other does not. While the black and white charge of statuatory rape is clear in a situation.. The details are the grey area and where consideration would be given at sentencing. I have no idea what the sentencing guidelines are for something like that, but, let's say statuatory rape carries a 2 to 20 year sentence.. An 18 year old having sex with a 15 1/2 year old might go towards the low end of that.. Whereas a 45 year old having sex with a 12 year old who was under the care of the 45 year old, might go towards the high end.
Believe it or not, there are teens under the age of consent that actively seek out older partners. I think it's probably fact that many teen guys will screw anything on two legs that's willing, fewer of them are seeking out an older partner, they're just seeking a partner.. Teen girls, at least in our society's view, try to remain 'pure'. That is mostly BS, but..
The other thought process on it, since we're basically a patriarchial society, whether we admit it or not, even when a female has sex with a teen boy.. The male still 'holds the power', so he must have tricked or somehow forced her into sex.. The male was 'in control'. Views on this are changing, as we can see from the rash of prosecutions in the past 15 years or so.
I disagree that EVERY person who is 15 and has sex with an 18 year old is a victim. Legally, yes, they are.. Psychologically.. Not necessarily. But.. There has to be a line drawn, otherwise we get courts trying to 'interpret' things.. So, while the situations have many shades of grey.. The law does have to be black and white.
Prior to, about 15 years ago.. That's how things were. Views are changing on it, but you can't expect them to change completely in 15 years. 40 years ago, in Sweden (I think) it was legal to produce child pornography, and it could be bought in the same shops as 'normal' porn. Views change, but rarely do they change quickly.
You have a really f-ed up view of relationships and sexuality. I hope you don't have daughters, and I hope your friends keep you away from theirs.
You have a really f-ed up view of relationships and sexuality. I hope you don't have daughters, and I hope your friends keep you away from theirs.
No more f-ed up than saying that anyone who doesn't agree with you has a 'f-ed up view'.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the American point of view is wrong, and some countries like Amsterdam, where rather than focusing on legislating and controlling teen sex, they teach and allow young people to make their own decisions regarding it are correct.
If something isn't taught as 'dirty' and 'wrong' or that they're not ready for it.. It's less mysterious, more open and less likely to be tried.
Nordic countries, which are quite liberal when it comes to sex.. Have teen birth rates less than half the US rate. Spain's rate is even lower than theirs, and AOC in Spain is 13.
I would rather any of my children be educated and empowered to make their own decisions when it comes to sex, because that is what they are going to do. There is no magic age when people are ready for sex, emotionally or physically. Someone who is 14, 16, 18 or 40 can regret making the decision to have sex with someone else. Even with all your talk, at the end of the day, you're just hoping for the best. I prefer that they have as much information as possible to make the best decision for them.
Believing that someone who is 15 years and 11 months can't make a decision and someone who is 16 can is dumb. We have to say it, because, again, there has to be that line drawn somewhere. Wherever the AOC is put, i'd make sure my kids were prepared for it.
I have no problem with the AOC being 16 where I live. What I do actually have a problem with is the way the law is written. A 14 year old boy has sex with a 15 year old girl... They both can be charged with Committing a lewd Act. Frankly, I do not see that as a crime at all. Anyone under 14 has sex, it's a crime. I don't think it's optimal, but if 2 twelve year olds are having consensual sex, there is no crime in my eyes.
If you scroll down well you will see that most of this teachers break the rule. They are the "adults". Go act like one.
"Olivia Sprauer, 26, who models under the name Victoria James, told The Huffington Post she knew she took a risk when she decided to pose for bikini photos beginning in February, but she decides she wanted to chance it."
Surely it was in her contract, she knew it was risky, she took a risk, she lost her job. I don't feel bad for her *at all*. Jobs may ask their employees for a code of conduct, the employee agrees when they sign the contract. They break the contract, the can lose their job.
This is something that has been bothering me for years. Why aren't female pedophiles viewed as negatively as male pedophiles in our society? Their are so many cases of female teachers sleeping with underage male students and yet most people don't seem to get upset but when an adult male sleeps with an underage female "all hell breaks loose" and people are ready to crucify him. If Jerry Sandusky was a female, I highly doubt people would've cared as much. Why do we have this double standard in our society?
Are you seriously puzzled by this double standard?
If both parties are physically mature, calling it pedophilia is misleading, especially when a guy is the younger party. Anyone male should automatically understand the drivers involved.
People seem to have forgotten the whole biological purpose of puberty and body-shape changes that signal it. Biology is clashing with modern laws and age of consent has varied throughout history. But when people go after the physically immature it becomes twisted. You are also asking separate questions by bringing up Sandusky's perversion.
I think a lot of the recent teacher/student scandals, while illegal and offensive on other societal levels, are normal human impulses in a biological context. They should be punished on grounds of formal/ethical conduct rather than being labeled as disturbed people. When I was in high-school, every normal guy was interested in a certain admin. secretary who must have been 45 and appeared to be unmarried. The Molly Shattuck case comes to mind. Back then, something may have come of it but today's witch hunting wasn't in play and we never found out.
Author John Grisham made some comments about society's general hypocrisy on this issue. Of course, he got grief for it and had to issue a PC correction which he probably didn't mean.
That's not pedophilia. Pedophilia is when a mom molests her little kids. You don't hear about it because it rarely comes to light, since moms are the primary caregivers.
uhh no, pedophilia is anyone molests ANYONES kids, not just their own.
I'm not reading all of this thread, but I can tell why males are viewed differently than females regarding certain sexual situations. Have you noticed that males have an outie and females do not. That's the reason.
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