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And again the fact that many many successful feminists have equally successful, happy relationships, is ignored.
It is ignored for a reason. Men who do not have the personality or ability to interact with women on an equal basis continue to bleat and whine about the 'evil feminism' ruining society. They simply cannot compete with normal men who value a woman for her mind, her values, her strength, her wit and her ability to be an equal contributor to the partnership.
There is ample evidence that feminists can and do have great relationships. Of course the boy-men will try to negate this, but they simply reinforce the reality that they cannot and will not view women as equals.
well, if you want a relationship with a man, you should have some interest in understanding what a man wants. ignoring what men want will alienate them.
if you hadn't noticed, modern feminism has a habit of trivializing what men want.
And what, pray tell, do men want that women are ignoring and trivializing?
I want a cook and housekeeper. I want someone who can do those things I cannot do myself. I don't need her to be able to do the things I can do for myself.
well, if you want a relationship with a man, you should have some interest in understanding what a man wants. ignoring what men want will alienate them.
if you hadn't noticed, modern feminism has a habit of trivializing what men want.
I'm curious as to what these specific wants are among 'men'. Frankly, I can't imagine my husband agreeing with anyone on this forum about wants (male or female), but he is a guy and I'm curious to ask him once you share what he's wanting.
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Originally Posted by Redisca
If CD is any guide, three things are clear:
(1) Different men want different things;
(2) Many men want things that are mutually exclusive; and
(3) Many other men are angry at so many different things that the inevitable inference is that they don't know what the hell they want.
(Not to trivialize or anything.)
Spot on and I'll trivialize it if you don't want to.
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Originally Posted by Whyte Byrd
My ex wanted me to stay home with our kids and I agreed. I didn't want them in daycare either. But when we divorced when our youngest was 13, I was up a creek. I had to scramble to go to school and get a college education so I could support myself and the youngest because he supplied absolutely no child support. It was rough. I think it's good to stay home with the kids but have some kind of job you can do from home at least. You never know what can happen.
Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you managed your way out of that situation.
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Originally Posted by Black Jack22
To be a nurturer and be her husband's help mate, which is becoming obselete these days.
Yea, because if your wife is going to bearing the children, keeping a house, and working outside the home, you need to become her help mate. Time to get with the program.
I want a cook and housekeeper. I want someone who can do those things I cannot do myself. I don't need her to be able to do the things I can do for myself.
I know what's right for me and my life, and anyone (man or woman) who somehow feels I have broken some kind of "role" I just do my best to ignore. You can't change people's opinions very easily, especially when they're rooted in ignorance.
People have this way of setting up false choices which I think is at the heart of a lot of these debates. You can still have a career and be nurturing. I have a career but that doesn't make me a cold, distant person. I take time out for the people that I love, and I'll go out of my way for people that I barely know. It's called having compassion - and that's a human emotion. Not something solely feminine.
I think a major thing to being a well rounded person is to ignore the criticism. When you're a strong, confident person, there will always be someone trying to bring you down or make you feel bad about it. And that is of course, jealousy. I'm strong willed, that doesn't make me a b**** and I'm caring, but that doesn't make me a doormat. If I were to conform to some rigid gender role, I would lose some of the complexity that makes me, me and what would be the point in that?
As soon as I find one that will work for room and board.
Besides that, she would also be my only friend and my intermediary in dealing with the rest of the world.
Sounds like a pretty sweet deal. I'm surprised they're not lining up down the street.
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