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Question: What is "assortative mating?"
Dan Ariely: So "assortative mating" is the idea that if you took all men and you ranked them on how attractive they are, from the most attractive to the least attractive and you rated all women from the most attractive to the least attractive, and you can think about attractiveness as built, being built from lots of stuff—like it’s not just beauty, it could be beauty and intelligence and so on—but if you created this, it was mostly about beauty, but, you know, if you created that, it turns out that the most attractive would date the most attractive. The middle attractive would basically date the middle, and the low would date the low. Now, there could be slight deviations, but that’s what happened, and why? Because if you’re at the top and you’re a guy, you can pick anybody you want, so you would pick a woman who’s in the top and if she’s at the top, she could pick anybody she wants, she would pick you.
So now the question is, what happens to people in the middle? You know, most of us. Or, what happens to people in the middle, how do we make sense of where we are in the social hierarchy? And for me that thought actually became very kind of crucial and apparent when I got injured. So here’s what happened: you grow up, and you have some kind of space in society and you know basically where you are and you know who would date you and who would not date you, who is kind of outside of your league, in general terms, and you know where you fit in the social hierarchy. And I knew where I was in the social hierarchy, but one day I got badly injured. And, you know, I couldn’t think about romantic stuff for a long time, but when I could, all of a sudden I started wondering about where do I fall now in the social hierarchy? I was trying to think about, do I fall in the same place? I’m kind of the same person inside, but I look much less attractive. Right? And would the women who would date me before would keep on dating me now? And I said, "Why would they? They have other options, right? I’m not the only guy in the world."
So it was kind of a very difficult concept for me to think about where do I fall? Like I fell differently on the social hierarchy, I basically lost my space all of the time and I was trying to understand how this social dance happened and how we find our place. And I was really wondering about where would I find my own mate? Where would I fit in this, in this scale? And there was a lot of personal complexities with it. But eventually it led me to a study, and the study was really asking the question of how do we make sense of where we fit in the hierarchy? And there are basically kind of multiple explanations, right? You could say, you never adjust. You never, if you're kind of in the middle range, or the low range and you only are, you have to date somebody else who is in the middle range, you never make peace with it. You wake up every morning, you look at your partner across your shoulder and you say, "Well, that's the best I could do. I really wanted more, sadly, you know, I have to admit my limitations, that's the most I could do." That means you don't adapt.
It could be that you adapt. It could be that, for example, if you're unattractive, you start looking at other features that are unattractive and see them as attractive. You remember the story from Krilov when you have this wolf sees these grapes over the fence and he tries to get them and he can't get them and eventually he said, "Ah, they were sour anyway," and he goes and eats something else. All right? So you could imagine if you're unattractive yourself, you start valuing... if you're a woman you start valuing short men who are bald with bad teeth, right? I mean, you just say, these are really wonderful features: I like hairy chests, I like bald head. You basically change what you like and that actually helps you adjust. Or you can imagine that you start liking other things, you stop paying attention to attractiveness and start paying attention to other things. So we tried that in an experiment.
Initially we went to this Web site called HotOrNot. It's a wonderful Web site, you see pictures of people and you decide, you rank them on a scale from 0 to 10 about how attractive they are and then you see how you rated this person, how other people rated them. But the nice feature about this Web site is if I rate people, the Web site knows how I was rated as well, because I have my picture there as well—by the way, I'm not rated very high, I think I'm like 6.4. But the people who are rating, you know how they're rating and you know how they're rated. So now the question is, the people who are providing the rating, the people who are really attractive that are providing rating and people who are really unattractive providing the rating. And the first thing you can ask is, do they have different ratings? Are the people who are inherently unattractive, do they see beauty differently? And the answer is no, we all see beauty in the same way. The people who are 9 rate people the same way as the people who are 4 in the hotness rating. So people don't change their sense of beauty. Now you could say, so maybe they don't adjust at all, maybe they don't adapt, that the people who are 4 keep on looking for the people who are 9, or maybe they adapt some other way.
So HotOrNot has another feature which is a site called Meet Me, in which you see pictures of people and you decide, do I want to meet them or not? Now it's not just rating, it's about also thinking about the probability that you will be accepted or turned down. And it's not so embarrassing to be turned down online, but it's still a little bit embarrassing. So the question is, do people who are 9, will they approach different people than the people who are 4? And the answer is absolutely yes. The people who are 4 basically approach people who are 4 or 5, the people who are 9 approach people who are 9 or 10. People are a little optimistic, they approach a little too high, but they basically know their range.
So what happened is, people know their range, they know where they are in the social hierarchy, but at the same time, they see beauty as the same thing. So what happened? So how people solve it? Do they wake up every morning feeling bad or do they solve it in some way?
So the last step we did a speed dating event. We got people to do a speed dating event and we asked them to rate other people and lots of attributes, not just attractiveness, but all kinds of other things. And what we saw was that people who are very attractive cared more about attractiveness. This is like one of the dominating criteria, they want to date somebody who is attractive. While the people who are unattractive basically say we don't care so much about attractiveness, we want people who are kind and have a good sense of humor. So what happened is that the way people adapt, the people at the low end of the scale, is by changing your priorities. All of a sudden saying, "I want people with a different set of attributes, I don't care so much about beauty, I want somebody who's kind, goodhearted, with a good sense of humor." And that's actually the story of adaptations, so that's the story of how we are coming into a social hierarchy in a certain place, and based on our circumstances, come to understand differently what we want and don't want and how we view the world in a way that is compatible with where we are in the social hierarchy.
Recorded on June 1, 2010
Interviewed by David Hirschman
What he is saying is although we can all probably agree on Jessica Alba or Brad Pitt being on the high scale for attractivness, we also (most of us) know/learn to know after many failed approaches or no approaches, where we fall on that scale and will learn to value other things that will make someone who is not really that attractive be attractive in our eyes.
Attraction, outside of purely sexual, is not just physical. Although I will bang attractive girls that have children, I would never date one. Although I would bang attractive girls that annoy and make wish I were deff, I would never stay around one very long.
A co-worker of mine is married to a very hot looking female. He is not so hot himself. Well, he is kinda ugly, beer-bellied and bald. I was a little puzzeled at first, but found out she had two kids that are not his. She can swear up and down on little odd things that makes him attractive to her that does not include him being a steady meal ticket, but no doubt the father of the first kid was probably a good looking guy.
Ofcourse they have a right, but they shouldn't get mad if the beautiful person doesn't find any interest in them physically. I know some ugly people (men in particular) that get SO mad when the attractive woman doesn't find him equally as appealing. I say give me a break! There's a reason why you're seeking that pretty girl over the ugly girl and it's the same reason why the pretty girl is NOT seeking you. Go figure.
Ofcourse they have a right, but they shouldn't get mad if the beautiful person doesn't find any interest in them physically. I know some ugly people (men in particular) that get SO mad when the attractive woman doesn't find him equally as appealing. I say give me a break! There's a reason why you're seeking that pretty girl over the ugly girl and it's the same reason why the pretty girl is NOT seeking you. Go figure.
Women do this just as much..Its just that Men are the pursuers so you can see when a Men appraoches a women that is so called out of his league when the average looking women will just hope the hot guy comes over to her while ignoring the average guys..
Let me elaborate. While at work I was thinking (instead of working). How many people believe that unattractive or ugly people have no right or are hypoctites for only wanting very attractive people? Is that a clear question? This is most noticeable when one unattractive person asks out another unattractive person just to get shot down for not being attractive. Or when an attractive person brings on the whole "back off, your out of your league". Do many people believe in "leagues"? Or do you believe in the whole Hitch movie theory. That anyone can sweep anyone off their feet if they have the right broom.
Only now am I beginning to appreciate my uncomplicated view of the man-woman thing.
You see a person.
You're either attracted to each other, or you're not.
With that hurdle cleared,
The two of you some how wrangle a relationship with each other.
With that hurdle cleared,
Either you share a vision of the relationship's future or you don't.
The endless agonizing, the pitiful negotiations with the person who has discovered they are less interested than you are...this is what makes for the pain and sorrow.
With me, it's either you want me or you don't. If you want me, fine. Let's get on with it. If you don't stop wasting my time. It's selfish, childish and in my view, QUITE UN-manly.
beautiful and ugly are subjective terms. in other words, they vary from person to person. i might think you're ugly and my brother might think you look good. so hey.. what can i say. you have some issues if you think that everyone shares the same exact opinion on you. there's no way in hell everybody in the world is going to think you're ugly or beauty. opinions are not facts. it just cracks me up to think that people honestly believe that because a couple of people think they're cute or ugly that means factually that they're cute or ugly so they parade around thinking they're the best thing or worst thing ever when it's not factually true. the funny thing is that a lot of these celebrities or people that are deemed to be cute or ugly are only put outthere because the person with the opinion has power. all this obsessions about what other people think. f what somebody else thinks. you are neither cute or ugly. a person or people's opinion about you is not everything.
so with that said, people have the right to go after anybody they want as long as they are of age. doesn't matter who you are, what build you are, how attractive or unattractive people think you are. as long as you're happy, that's what counts.
Last edited by the nation is still angry; 08-25-2011 at 03:31 PM..
Everyone has a right to want whatever they want. They don't necessarily have a right to get what they want. However, a physically unattractive person may have other great qualities that will attract a discerning, attractive person. I certainly see plenty of physically mismatched couples every day, who seem quite content together. Overall, though, and generally speaking, most people end up with someone who is similar to them on the attractiveness scale.
Women do this just as much..Its just that Men are the pursuers so you can see when a Men appraoches a women that is so called out of his league when the average looking women will just hope the hot guy comes over to her while ignoring the average guys..
You are absolutely right, most of the time men are the pursuers,...and also agreed this topic is very superficial. There are more to attractiveness than just the outside appearance of a person. We are all blessed with the beauty of being multidimensional, thank goodness.
Let me elaborate. While at work I was thinking (instead of working). How many people believe that unattractive or ugly people have no right or are hypoctites for only wanting very attractive people? Is that a clear question? This is most noticeable when one unattractive person asks out another unattractive person just to get shot down for not being attractive. Or when an attractive person brings on the whole "back off, your out of your league". Do many people believe in "leagues"? Or do you believe in the whole Hitch movie theory. That anyone can sweep anyone off their feet if they have the right broom.
I believe that the difference between being attractive or unattractive, can be the difference between getting laid, or being prosecuted for sexual harassment.
I've known a few couples where one person was very attractive and the other looked like he/she didn't belong with them. I never thought anything of it, though, because in each instance both people were sweet and in love. That's what mattered.
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). How many people believe that unattractive or ugly people have no right or are hypoctites for only wanting very attractive people? Is that a clear question? This is most noticeable when one unattractive person asks out another unattractive person just to get shot down for not being attractive. Or when an attractive person brings on the whole "back off, your out of your league". Do many people believe in "leagues"? Or do you believe in the whole Hitch movie theory. That anyone can sweep anyone off their feet if they have the right broom.
