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Old 07-23-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I never claimed anyone was wrong or right. I'm just trying to figure out why some don't feel the need to reproduce and/or loathe the idea of having a kid to begin with. It defies evolution and Christianity. It seems like such a nihilistic endeavor.

 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:27 PM
 
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Plenty of families do "just fine" by your standards, maybe...but others might disagree. I think that paying for college is absolutely essential to the decision to have a child. I believe that having a kid when you know you'll be in no place to fund further education is irresponsible. Obviously others disagree, but just because everyone else is jumping off a bridge doesn't mean I'm going to also.

Does a child need to go to summer camp, have family vacations, take music lessons, play on sports teams, or have enrichment classes? No. But I wouldn't bring a child into this world if I didn't think I could give that to them. Life changes, of course things won't go according to plan, but if the budget was already tight I wouldn't bring life into this world and expect them to just deal with only the very basics. That's not an enjoyable life to me, and I feel it would be selfish to force that on them.
I think that is fine for you. But by your standards many families wouldn't be able to have children.

As a parent who tries to give her kids some of these things, you can't always conceptualize the amount of money and time these activities will entail.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Davenport, Iowa
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I never claimed anyone was wrong or right. I'm just trying to figure out why some don't feel the need to reproduce and/or loathe the idea of having a kid to begin with. It defies evolution and Christianity. It seems like such a nihilistic endeavor.
I'm not a Christian and plenty of people have defied evolution. That's why there's birth control
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: NC
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If you are worried about the financial and social burdens of having a kid, you aren't fit to be a parent.

I guess the government will pay for it right? 53% of all kids born in the last 10 years were paid for by medicaid.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:28 PM
 
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It defies evolution and Christianity.
Ohhh, that explains it....nothing defines me but me. Not evolution, not religion, not marriage or kids. I exist regardless of any of that. If you chose to exist based on what a book or society expects/tells you, that's fine, but I like to live independently and make decisions based off of what I want for my life, not others.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:30 PM
 
Location: North NJ by way of Brooklyn, NY
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Wanting to share my best qualities with the world be having a kid makes me selfish? Maybe a little narcissistic for thinking highly of myself (not so much if you keep it all in perspective from where you derived such qualities), but I think we should all share what we've been blessed with. I know my future kid is going to bring happiness to anyone that is lucky enough to be around him/her.
As I suspected, you didn't get what I was saying.

Basically, if your main reason for wanting to have kids is to "produce a mini me to benefit society" then honestly, you are not ready to have kids. That is not a mature or well thought out reason to have children. It's as you said a narcissistic one. Having children should NEVER be a selfish decision to make.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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I never claimed anyone was wrong or right. I'm just trying to figure out why some don't feel the need to reproduce and/or loathe the idea of having a kid to begin with. It defies evolution and Christianity. It seems like such a nihilistic endeavor.
People simply prefer to live their lifes according to their own rules, not rules others try to force upon them. World is overpopulated as it is, so it certainly is not a necessity of any sort for each person to reproduce. Its simply a choice and a preference, and many have various reason for having or not having kids. And lets not get into inhobition we can be thankful to christianity for, because thats another conversation altogether. We are unique individuals, we are not sheep.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Weird that you think most people's choices are fueled by Christian dogma.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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Ohhh, that explains it....nothing defines me but me. Not evolution, not religion, not marriage or kids. I exist regardless of any of that. If you chose to exist based on what a book or society expects/tells you, that's fine, but I like to live independently and make decisions based off of what I want for my life, not others.
Too cool for school... Got it

Some folks had a few good ideas along the way. Might be wise to give them a glance before dismissing them as incompatible with an independent/free thinking lifestyle
 
Old 07-23-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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Too cool for school... Got it
If school means religion, then yes

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Some folks had a few good ideas along the way. Might be wise to give them a glance before dismissing them as incompatible with an independent/free thinking lifestyle
You're right, a lot of those people who preached that the meaning of life is to marry and procreate also condemns homosexuality, women's role (or lack there of), a host of sins no one adheres to and a laundry lsit of other things I (and most people) dont agree/live by.
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