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Quality is partly objective, and partly subjective, within those objective bounds.
At the point a person is saying that their subjective tastes are the only determinant of quality, that's when that person is lying to themselves.
For them. Are you not attempting to project your definition of "quality" onto others? I couldn't care less how you choose to define quality for you. What you determine is a quality match or woman for you is just fine, as long as you speak for yourself.
You can think a quality woman is demure, respectful, chaste, knows her place, and I can think that's full of ****. If you attempt to argue these are objectively "good" qualities, I'd be inclined to raise my bull**** flag. Sure, these are good qualities for some, especially some of the Bitter Boys in this group, but they sure as hell aren't seen that way objectively.
Put this ALL together and if you get off the fugging computer once in a while, for God's sake, you have a HUGE pool of women available for men and a SMALL pool of men for women (quality or not, I won't even go there...there are just as many fat toothless men out there as fat toothless women...actually, slightly MORE fat men than women, but again, doesn't warrant repeating for the billionth time).
Yet we are still hearing on here how dating is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard for men and sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unfair for men. WTF??? Are you kidding? If the tables were tipped any more in your favor they'd be falling right over.
It isn't online dating that's the problem. It isn't offline dating that's the problem. You're the problem.
Sorry.
I was with you up until this part. The underlined, in particular, is simply false. Laughably so.
I was with you up until this part. The underlined, in particular, is simply false. Laughably so.
Oh, really?
Do you need stats on the woman to man ratio in the U.S.?
Do you disagree that women are not as fully able, acceptably, to date 20, 30 years younger and to routinely seek out just that, to the extent that men not only already do, but are encouraged to continue to do, without any snickering or "cougar" references or pump-and-dump "teach me" garbage? If so, this IS a breakthrough and I am bookmarking these few posts for the next time a woman-hating "Who wants an OOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD lady?" nasty thread. This IS good news!
Meanwhile, given there ARE more women than men, and given a larger overall age range for men (at least two or three times as large, I'd say), why is it "laughable" that there's a larger pool of women v. men? Please enlighten me. Many many many many men are hooked up. As many as there are women... Is it those men who are laughable?
Maybe it's all the whining and refusal to take responsibility that's laughable.
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Oh, really?
Do you need stats on the woman to man ratio in the U.S.?
Do you disagree that women are as fully able, acceptably, to date 20, 30 years younger and to routinely seek out just that? If so, this IS a breakthrough and I am bookmarking these few posts for the next time a woman-hating "Who wants an OOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD lady?" nasty thread. This IS good news!
The issue isn't about stats. And neither men nor women routinely date 20 or 30 years younger.
The issue was with the statement that things are tipped in men's favor. They aren't. With the societal dynamic in dating, and men having to be the aggressor and pursuer (unless you're gorgeous or something), I think most men would LOVE to tip that dynamic. I know very few women without multiple date offers a week (i'm in my 40s), while guys like me never are asked out, or very rarely. That's not in my favor.
Still, I'm not complaining. It's the way things are and I do fine. Just don't tell me that dating is in my favor.
And number ratios really don't matter since I'm looking for one person.
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Originally Posted by JerZ
Meanwhile, given there ARE more women than men, and given a larger overall age range for men (at least two or three times as large, I'd say), why is it "laughable" that there's a larger pool of women v. men? Please enlighten me. Many many many many men are hooked up. As many as there are women... Is it those men who are laughable?
Women generally date the same years older and younger from what I see, anywhere from 5-10 years up and down.
I actually get more women, with OLD, contacting me that are below the range I'm looking for (I have +/- 5 years), as I have 34, 35, etc yo women contacting me more frequently than 45 year old women.
Do you need stats on the woman to man ratio in the U.S.?
Do you disagree that women are as fully able, acceptably, to date 20, 30 years younger and to routinely seek out just that? If so, this IS a breakthrough and I am bookmarking these few posts for the next time a woman-hating "Who wants an OOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD lady?" nasty thread. This IS good news!
You'll note that the stats you're quoting was not something I debated (please read my post again), but is also barely even close to relevant. I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but I know it's something close to 51%/49%. Assuming all else is equal, that means that in a room of 100 people, only 2% would even be AFFECTED (and it would be the bottom 2%. If that's you, then your problem isn't the male/female ratio).
You'll also note that I didn't debate your second point, though I'm a little inclined to. Date who you want. If what other people think weighs that heavily on your dating life, then date someone who your friends approve of, regardless of how he treats you or what he looks like. I don't care.
I see, however, that you don't mention the things I ACTUALLY found issue with (again, read my post).
The issue isn't about stats. And neither men nor women routinely date 20 or 30 years younger.
The issue was with the statement that things are tipped in men's favor. They aren't. With the societal dynamic in dating, and men having to be the aggressor and pursuer (unless you're gorgeous or something), I think most men would LOVE to tip that dynamic. I know very few women without multiple date offers a week (i'm in my 40s), while guys like me never are asked out, or very rarely. That's not in my favor.
Still, I'm not complaining. It's the way things are and I do fine. Just don't tell me that dating is in my favor.
And number ratios really don't matter since I'm looking for one person.
And yet...so many men ARE with women.
SO MANY men.
And yet...it's online AND offline dating that are both the problem...not the men who aren't managing to get the women?
We're not talking fashion models nor rich people from either side, there's nothing in particular that the guy next to you "got" a girl and you didn't (not you the person I'm quoting, the general "you") unless we're talking Channing Tatum or something, so...?
But no. It's dating that's the problem. It's the women who are the problem. It's the computer that's the problem. It's society that's the problem. It's bars that are the problem. It's pickiness that's the problem. It's the barometric pressure that's the problem...................
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Is it those men who are laughable?
