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Old 07-27-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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No I wouldn't Sierra, Life is short though I have seen death first hand and I want to find a great man someday...and I wish that you find one with great patience.
Patience is overrated.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:27 AM
 
Location: James Island, SC
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I disagree. Child support is NOT for the woman. It's for the CHILD. And it IS her body that is carrying the child. The pregnancy and birth affects that woman more than any possible father, so the woman does, and should, have control over that pregnancy. When we get to the point where everyone is conceived in a petri dish (and I'm afraid we're not far off) then this issue will fade into oblivion.

Again, if the man (or woman) does NOT wish to support a child, then the only 100% foolproof method, is to abstain.

This whole discussion is such a sad damn commentary on our society.
Yeah, because if we've learned anything in the last year, abstinence is TOTALLY realistic

I would bet good money that there is NO ONE on this entire board can say that they have NEVER slept with someone out of wedlock, and with no intention of creating a child.

Once AGAIN - even amongst the most responsible people in the world, birth control, and even sterilization, can fail.

The resulting responsibility rests on both people.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:30 AM
 
Location: James Island, SC
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No. I would pass on the penis cast. Its not like those belly cast are vagina cast.

I just think its neat like the old bronze baby shoes and framing ultra sound pics. My mom kept a lock of our hair from our first hair cut. Doesnt mean Id want a cast of dads penis.

I still think the bronze shoes, etc. are different from the belly.

I can imagine that 12-year-old saying, "Seriously mom, could you PLEASE take the naked picture of yourself off the mantel now? I have friends coming over!"

It's creepy.
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Old 07-28-2009, 02:25 PM
 
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lol. I guess we all have different levels of modesty.
I am glad you posted the link. A woman at work is trying to have a baby. If it goes well next time, I am going to show her the site.
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Child support is given for a kid that's already here, been born and needs support. I think it's a bad idea to let the father slip out of paying because he didn't want it. At that point (post birth), there's no argument that the kid is a person, that it is an individual capable of living outside of another human. And its parents need to step up and support it (or the rest of us will have to).
In the case of abortion, there is still this debate about personhood...if the fetus is not a "person" yet, it has no rights over its body or existence. And it's living inside the body of someone who does have those rights. Yes, it takes two to tango, but women must assume health risks that their partners will not undergo. In the beginning stages of pregnancy, a fetus has no rights, but a woman does have legal rights over her body. A man has no rights over the fetus or the woman's body. Whereas after birth the child itself has rights to support from its parents.
Anyway, I do think women should make the decision with the father and take his opinion seriously. And people should be clear about this kind of thing before they knock boots.
I would worry that if the father were granted the authority to stop the abortion, they would make the woman have the kid and then take no responsibility for it post-birth...
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:30 PM
 
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i think so. If he does not want the child she should either abort or choose to raise the baby without any financial assistance from the father.

Ditto! I would also add, without any money from taxpayers, either.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:15 PM
 
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Ditto! I would also add, without any money from taxpayers, either.
Which is EXACTLY why the support must come from those that produced the child. DUH.
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