Should a man have a say on what a woman does with an unplanned pregnancy. (wedding, sleeping)
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Hmmm... I guess it depends in the situation? I am very "pro-choice" if the girl wants to keep the baby, it shouldn't matter what any one thinks, the same way if she doesn't, however... it does take 2 to tango, and I would give him the chance to at least know what is going on...
Well the argument that is really being made here is that if she's going to keep the baby against the wishes of the father, then she should be solely responsible for raising the child.
i dont think a man should force a woman to carry the child to term. but i do think that a man should have the option of relinquishing parental/financial responsibility if he does not want the child, but she does.
This would condemn millions of innocent children to lives in which they will not receive the financial support they need in order to grow and thrive.
All of you hardcore anti-choice people need to remember that you can't have it both ways. You can't scream that choice needs to be taken away so that the children get a fair shake, and then say that the fathers get a Get Out Of Jail Free card. If it's all for the kids, then both parties need to buck up and take responsibility for accidents.
(Note: I don't know if the person to whom I'm replying is hardline anti-choice, I'm just using his post as an example)
Completely agree.
I find this subject mind boggling really because it's not like it's new information. Nothing has changed. It still takes two to make a baby. Sex still can eventuate in pregnancy. The foetus is still only able to grow and develop within a woman's uterus AND once a pregnancy occurs the ultimate choice as to whether or not it continues still rests with the woman. Children still have the right once they exist to be cared for and nurtured and supported by BOTH parents REGARDLESS of whether one or the other parent would like to abdicate their responsibilty.
Ultimately I believe that people need to accept the status quo as it stands AND work out how that impacts them and act accordingly.
If you're a man then exercise your choice at the point of the process where you are able to make it IF you don't want to be a parent. IF despite your best efforts to the contrary you end up being a parent then seriously quit whining and get with the program. There's a child in this world that comes from you. Is your blood. I don't want to hear about how you don't have any choices. You have plenty and you need to exercise them responsibly. Why compound the issue by trying to skip out? Your child, regardless of how you feel about the mother or the circumstances surrounding the birth, deserves that.
If you're a woman and you don't want to be a parent you need to exercise your choice at the point of the process where you are able to make it IF you don't want to be a parent. It just turns out you have choices with regard to birth control in order to prevent pregnancy AND you have choices with regard termination should birth control fail. Exercise BOTH these choices responsibly. IF despite your best efforts you end up pregnant then in my opinion unless you're dealing with a rapist or psychopath then you have a moral obligation to yourself AND your offspring AND the father to discuss what happens now AND in the future. I believe the ultimate decision does rest with the woman BUT pregnancy is NOT an opportunity to play power games. Think long and hard about the impact your choices now will have on your child both in the immediate and long term future. Your child deserves parents that are present, and responsible. If that's not you or it's not the male contributor then think long and hard about abortion or adoption OR a life of single parenthood and the impact both economically and emotionally on your child.
No because the man has no say in what the woman does with her body.
Ask any doctor - when a pregnant woman comes into their office, there are 2 patients, not 1. It's more than just her body.
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Originally Posted by Ivorytickler
A man's choice ends when he allows a pregnancy to happen. Men would do well to remember that. Men can prevent pregnancies too. If you don't want kids, get snipped, don't have sex or if you do, make darned sure you're, at least, double protected.
**** happens. And when it does, it's both people's responsibility.
Men who get snipped can still get a woman pregnant. Nothing is fool-proof.
Another thing that people would do well to remember: birth control failures happen ALL the time, but not everyone gets pregnant as a result. The people who do, it's because they have the unfortunate (or fortunate, depending on your perspective) luck of being more fertile.
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Originally Posted by 2mares
The fetus is living within her. I believe that would count for eminent domain.
If that were true, the father would have no rights whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by 2mares
If the man does not want the child and there was no marriage or committed relationship, then I dont believe he should have to take any responsibility.
Agreed. But it should be in writing that he relinquishes his parental rights while the woman still has the option to abort.
Nothing to do with abortion and I agree that is a separate thread.
It just seems that whilst your plan has covered the rights of the father and the mother in the initial stages it does not cover the rights of the child.
Once the child is born it has rights. It has the right to see its mother and father. Any pre-existing agreement between the parents would eventually become null and void once the child is able to start making decisions about access to their parents.
Not criticizing your thoughts by the way, just trying to establish where the kid fits into this.
I feel the father should have just as much a right as the mother. I dont care whos body the baby is in, it takes 2 to make it. Women get abortions every day without the father having any idea that his child is about to die. It should be a mutual decision. It goes the other way also. If the woman decides that she can and will raise a child then she will, but normally not with out taking quite a bit of money from the father. What if hes not ready? She has options, he doesnt. The man in the situation can get screwed and cant say anything about it. There needs to be laws protecting the men.
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