Why can't people accept that life has no inherent purpose or meaning? (Egyptian, atheism)
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Seems like someone's admitting that they believe in god due to an argument from ignorance.
Well yes, Credit of a sor to Jimmie that he accepted that al the evidence pointed strongly to no soul and no afterlife, and he preferred to place his faith in the very remote possibility with very littel supporting evidence and that arguable that there actually was 'something (unspecified) more that would give him what he wanted to believe.
I an equally small measure I can grant him kudos for going that far and buzzing off before it could be pointed out that such Faith is based on nothing but itself and the fallacy of argument from ignorance.
I would rather die than live with a head like that, but it's his choice.
Seems like someone's admitting that they believe in god due to an argument from ignorance.
Precisely. Its not like this soul stuff has not been investigated to death and conclusions drawn by folk a lot smarter than us.
What he want us to concede is all that has been scientifically proven or dis-proven, we should still remain sceptical and leave a tiny gap for gawd and his fairy tales possibly being true.
It is the age old tactic of theists to try balance the playing fields to suggest we all have this "faith" in what is believable or what we rational folk accept as fact. The two are not even comparable.
We do not have an apologetic branch in science, we are not left to draw our own conclusions, facts are presented and peer reviewed. We plebs can read and research further if we so choose. In the religious domain, all you have is a 2000+ yo book that has already been thoroughly debunked as historical fact. It remains only as a mythological text with no historical accuracy whatsoever.
In the world of reality we are not grasping at straws to maintain some sort of belief like the woos do with accounts of NDEs or OOBEs as "proof" of an afterlife. ALL of these happen in a living brain. A dead brain cannot be resuscitated that is why when a patient is declared brain dead, you may pull the plugs of the machines keeping the body alive. In the world of harsh reality, if it cannot be replicated under controlled conditions, it is not valid.
According to scriptures, godman appeared to many and interacted. Where is he now? Why can he not appear and remove all doubt/disbelief?
No we have to become mindless zombies and check our brains in at the church foyer and simply accept the bumph dished out by the stand-up comedian behind the pulpit. Give ourselves over to emotional manipulation and then only does gawd "appear" in fuzzy feel good emotional crap. THIS hardly constitutes any sort of "evidence". Even this "experience" has been replicated by external stimuli to a living brain. Scientists already know which parts of the brain to stimulate to get this exact effect.
The answer, he/god/jesus does not exist. Whoever the jesus fella may have been, he is long dead. The one reported - or should I say invented in the bible - never existed.
Well yes, Credit of a sor to Jimmie that he accepted that al the evidence pointed strongly to no soul and no afterlife, and he preferred to place his faith in the very remote possibility with very littel supporting evidence and that arguable that there actually was 'something (unspecified) more that would give him what he wanted to believe.
I an equally small measure I can grant him kudos for going that far and buzzing off before it could be pointed out that such Faith is based on nothing but itself and the fallacy of argument from ignorance.
I would rather die than live with a head like that, but it's his choice.
To the contrary. My experience leads me to believe the chances are overwhelming that there is a creator. I was trying to approach my argument from the perspective of a skeptic.
Precisely. Its not like this soul stuff has not been investigated to death and conclusions drawn by folk a lot smarter than us.
What he want us to concede is all that has been scientifically proven or dis-proven, we should still remain sceptical and leave a tiny gap for gawd and his fairy tales possibly being true.
It is the age old tactic of theists to try balance the playing fields to suggest we all have this "faith" in what is believable or what we rational folk accept as fact. The two are not even comparable.
We do not have an apologetic branch in science, we are not left to draw our own conclusions, facts are presented and peer reviewed. We plebs can read and research further if we so choose. In the religious domain, all you have is a 2000+ yo book that has already been thoroughly debunked as historical fact. It remains only as a mythological text with no historical accuracy whatsoever.
In the world of reality we are not grasping at straws to maintain some sort of belief like the woos do with accounts of NDEs or OOBEs as "proof" of an afterlife. ALL of these happen in a living brain. A dead brain cannot be resuscitated that is why when a patient is declared brain dead, you may pull the plugs of the machines keeping the body alive. In the world of harsh reality, if it cannot be replicated under controlled conditions, it is not valid.
According to scriptures, godman appeared to many and interacted. Where is he now? Why can he not appear and remove all doubt/disbelief?
No we have to become mindless zombies and check our brains in at the church foyer and simply accept the bumph dished out by the stand-up comedian behind the pulpit. Give ourselves over to emotional manipulation and then only does gawd "appear" in fuzzy feel good emotional crap. THIS hardly constitutes any sort of "evidence". Even this "experience" has been replicated by external stimuli to a living brain. Scientists already know which parts of the brain to stimulate to get this exact effect.
The answer, he/god/jesus does not exist. Whoever the jesus fella may have been, he is long dead. The one reported - or should I say invented in the bible - never existed.
By the same token, billions of people throughout history have believed in God. A significant % of those are educated, intelligent people.
By the same token, billions of people throughout history have believed in God. A significant % of those are educated, intelligent people.
And there are highly intelligent people who think they are Elivis, Jesus, from the future, past and even some who think they are invisible. Education and intelligence doesnt mean you know everything or that what you say or think is true.
It is our own choice to decide if life has meaning. We alone either seek or do not seek for a meaning and it is our own responsibility as to what we do with our findings.
If one finds a purpose for life, they alone, assume the role of fulfilling or not fulfilling that purpose.
And there are highly intelligent people who think they are Elivis, Jesus, from the future, past and even some who think they are invisible. Education and intelligence doesnt mean you know everything or that what you say or think is true.
Generally though, educated, intelligent people would not blindly follow something with no evidence.
I imagine life to be like a blank sheet of paper. I am the author of my life and am free to write my story in any way I want to.
What is unacceptable about this point of view?
Seriously, if it's okay with you that your life has no inherent purpose or meaning, it's okay with me. There's nothing unacceptable about that point of view if it makes you happy. Personally, I couldn't live that way.
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I can grant him kudos for going that far and buzzing off before it could be pointed out that such Faith is based on nothing but itself and the fallacy of argument from ignorance.
