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Old 09-30-2012, 05:46 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Nobody doubts the debt that western science owes to Islamic civilization (not to Islam, though, nor the Quran which is about as scientific as my copy of Beowulf) in transmitting the GREEK scientific and medical learning which it inherited from the Hellenistic thinkers - a debt which Muslims do not fall over themselves to acknowledge.

True, the Muslims made several advances in that knowledge, which civilization hasn't? But it is dishonest to overdraw this debt in the hopes to try to sell us the religion which really deserves little credit for the scientific advances made, anymore than religion deserves credit for that made in Greek times or indeed in the west in our own times.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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that is not truth,

watch this
That is purely a demonstration of the process depicted in this cartoon.



Cherry pick the facts and search the wholly full of it book for passages that support the selective facts.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:00 AM
 
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not true , you dont know the history man

Inovations by muslims, everything you use in your home is almost invetned by muslims
You don't even know the history of Islam. For around 1100 Islam was hijacked by fanatics and the religion radicalized, which put a complete and total end to the scientific progress of Muslims, back to the ancient ignorance of your superstition, and holds Muslims back still.

Your second statement is blatant bovine excrement. The muslim countries are producing no advancements today, for the yoke of ignorance of radical religion has left the muslim science community stuck in the sands of ignorance.


Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the decline of Islam - YouTube
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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True, the Muslims made several advances in that knowledge, which civilization hasn't? But it is dishonest to overdraw this debt in the hopes to try to sell us the religion which really deserves little credit for the scientific advances made, anymore than religion deserves credit for that made in Greek times or indeed in the west in our own times.
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True, the Muslims made several advances in that knowledge, which civilization hasn't?
i am glad that you admit that


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But it is dishonest to overdraw this debt in the hopes to try to sell us the religion which really deserves little credit for the scientific advances made,
you are not right man, beacuse God urges muslim in quran to do science, to learn and to explore, that is why so many muslims worked with science.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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You don't even know the history of Islam. For around 1100 Islam was hijacked by fanatics and the religion radicalized, which put a complete and total end to the scientific progress of Muslims, back to the ancient ignorance of your superstition, and holds Muslims back still.

Your second statement is blatant bovine excrement. The muslim countries are producing no advancements today, for the yoke of ignorance of radical religion has left the muslim science community stuck in the sands of ignorance.


Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the decline of Islam - YouTube
tyson is not competent to talk about muslim history


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The muslim countries are producing no advancements today
that is beacuse of West does not allow that. and one more thing is that muslims left ther religion and what God commanded them to do, is to do science and to explore. that is why they become scientifically backward people. i am muslim and i am competent to talk about my people.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:35 AM
 
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The issue is that you made up a 3rd answer that was a nonsensical answer.
Not at all. It is just as valid an answer as any you have given. The only thing that makes it nonsensical in your head is that you only want there to be two answers so do not want to consider others.

However if you really want to discuss the third answer why not do so on the thread you ran away from where it was mentioned? Why come into this thread and derail it with comments about something you did not like from another?
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Old 10-01-2012, 05:55 AM
 
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How can you say false science when even biggest atheist in the world admited that there is inteligent design in nature
Nowhere in the video did Dawkins say there is intelligent design in nature.

But even so, you're telling us you agree with Dawkins that if it existed, an intelligent designer would be something that evolved through Darwinian means? Great, but what does that have to do with god(s)?
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:01 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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i am glad that you admit that




you are not right man, beacuse God urges muslim in quran to do science, to learn and to explore, that is why so many muslims worked with science.
Glad to hear it. Now learn and explore and accept what you find out (we can help, if you will let us) and do not deny it just because it does not fit in with the crapulous tenets and deceptive methods of Creationism that Islam has, very unfortunately, picked up from Protestant Christian Fundamentalism.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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Believing that man was formed from a clump of dirt/mud that an imaginary god blew on to bring to life is ignorant. Saying that such a belief is ignorant is to merely state the obvious based on knowledge, and if you want to call that arrogance, then do so in your ignorance.
However we are made of the same chemicals of the earth.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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That is purely a demonstration of the process depicted in this cartoon.



Cherry pick the facts and search the wholly full of it book for passages that support the selective facts.
This is based on the distorted view atheists have of some peoples' belief in God. They have no idea so they use these kinds of ideas to justify their own non-belief.
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