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Christians have been hated since the death of Christ and many attempts were made to burn Bibles and wipe them out. Fails every time because God's word is true and eternal.
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Yeah, yeah, here we go again with the "we're hated boohoo" mantra again. Meanwhile we atheists have to deal with polls that say atheists are the most hated and least trusted group in America.
So can we PLEASE stop with the whining about how hated you are considering that it's YOUR side that has completely poisoned America's opinion of we atheists?
It's both disgusting and morally reprehensible, this dishonest tactic.
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Which certainly doesn't explain why there are Christians in the Middle East, often risking their lives for their faith in Christ.
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It doesn't explain why Muslims are willing to strap on bombs and blow themselves up for Allah, either, GIVING their lives for their faith in Muhammad. Perhaps you should switch religions, hmm?
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Our faith is not a blind faith. There are numerous strong evidences that my God is real and true.
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No there's not.
And even if any strong evidence did exist, there's NO evidence that your take on Christianity is the one most approved of by Jesus (but plenty of evidence that suggests it would be among the least.)
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There is nothing in the Constitution that entitles you to freedom from religion. But atheists have distorted things so much that they think they have the right to demand that Christians hide their faith from any public view.
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I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how one can have freedom OF religion without having freedom FROM religion.
What's completely stupid about your argument, too, is that our freedom FROM religion protects you, too. Unfortunately, certain Christians are so used to being a majority that they don't even realize that they're arguing against the one thing that prevents someone else's religion from supplanting Christianity. If we did not have protection FROM religion, what would stop a politically savvy group of Muslims from making sure you obeyed THEIR laws?
Politics and the Constitution are obviously not a strong area of expertise for you, Jeff, so I wouldn't try arguing down that road.
Unless you can explain to me how we can have freedom OF religion without having freedom FROM religion. The floor is all yours and I'm eager to hear it.
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I am done with the racism comparisons. I will ignore any more attempts to drag that into the discussion.
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Of course you'll ignore it because it pretty much destroys your argument.
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People like you want to take separation of church and state to such extremes that it will eventually become ILLEGAL to be a Christian in this country. I will have freedom of religion, yea only in my mind.
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Oh knock it off, Jeff. That statement is just petulant and hyperbolic. Oh boohoo, you can't dictate everyone's lives -- and somehow, even though a majority of Christians favor marriage equality, it will be illegal to be a Christian because ... wait ... because WHY again? Because they DON'T support marriage equality? Wow, something just doesn't compute here.
Unless you actually think that every last Christian in America is a rabid fundamentalist who thinks the entire nation should be governed by the Bible. THAT would be delusion in the extreme.
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Nope, I just don't want to be told that I have to accept gay marriage in any shape, form or fashion
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Too bad. There are daily flights to places like Chad that executes homosexuals. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable there.
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and that includes handing over a marriage license with a smile.
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Then don't smile. But you WILL issue marriage licenses to gay couples if you hold the position of county clerk. Don't like it? Quit.
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Most people have no problem discriminating against ex-convicts.
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Except fundamentalists who defend people like the Duggars. In any event, discriminating against a pedophile by banning them from working with children, for instance, or banning a thief from working with money are not EVEN REMOTELY THE SAME THING as being a criminal yourself for refusing to give marriage licenses to gay couples.
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If the government suddenly decided to declare them a protected class then the same arguments and conflicts would be at play here.
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Maybe in your mind a consenting gay couple who wants to get married is just as bad as a serial killer, but in the eyes of most Americans, they are not. Being gay and getting married is not a criminal act no matter WHAT your Bible says. If you reached any further for that comparison, you'd fall out of your chair.
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If you need to make comparisons of racism or the animal kingdom to prop up your arguments then they were not strong enough to stand on their own.
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Said literally one post after you compared gay couples with criminals. Could this debate get any more silly?
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