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Old 12-26-2015, 04:41 PM
 
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such as? one valid example, and mother is not one...
I already gave several. My church's Treasurer is a woman. We also have women teaching Sunday School, serving with events, VBS, etc . In my last church where I was a member, the children's ministry leader was a woman. The ministry assistant to the senior pastor was a woman. She did all the graphics, designed the bulletin, etc. Women served on the worship team. The church I'm a pastor of doesn't have a worship team, but we do have a woman playing the piano. I would add that my wife does announcements before the church service begins. We've had women sing in church, as well.

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Old 12-26-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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But no one is saying she can't be a leader.
Tell your employer to hire women pastors and report back.
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Old 12-26-2015, 04:58 PM
 
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I already gave several. My church's Treasurer is a woman. We also have women teaching Sunday School, serving with events, VBS, etc . In my last church where I was a member, the children's ministry leader was a woman. The ministry assistant to the senior pastor was a woman. She did all the graphics, designed the bulletin, etc. Women served on the worship team. The church I'm a pastor of doesn't have a worship team, but we do have a woman playing the piano. I would add that my wife does announcements before the church service begins. We've had women sing in church, as well.
Your gender does not prevent you from doing any of that work. How much are those women paid in those places?

Is your wife paid to announce?
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Old 12-26-2015, 04:59 PM
 
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Tell your employer to hire women pastors and report back.
Why do you think pastors are the only role in which women can lead?
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Your gender does not prevent you from doing any of that work. How much are those women paid in those places?

Is your wife paid to announce?
Ultimately? It's the way it is because that's what Scripture says -- pastors are to be men. That's just the way it is.

Some churches may be able to afford to hire more than 1 paid employee, such as a church pianist, or women in other roles, but we can't.
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:01 PM
 
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Why do you think pastors are the only role in which women can lead?
Why would anyone think pastor is the one church role in which a woman can't lead?
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:04 PM
 
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Why would anyone think pastor is the one church role in which a woman can't lead?
Because there's a lot of power at stake.
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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Why would anyone think pastor is the one church role in which a woman can't lead?
Short answer? Because the Bible says so. Women are also not to be elders.
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:08 PM
 
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How do you believe women are being subjugated or told they are inferior, at least in Christianity? Can you elaborate? I found the article wasn't really clear on that. Is it because the church actually preaches the text that says women should submit to the husbands?
What is the highest position of power a woman has held at your church, Vizio?
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Old 12-26-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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Ultimately? It's the way it is because that's what Scripture says -- pastors are to be men. That's just the way it is.

Some churches may be able to afford to hire more than 1 paid employee, such as a church pianist, or women in other roles, but we can't.
Scripture does not say you cannot cover those jobs because you are a man.

This is what you said;
There are many jobs I may be qualified for but I couldn't do simply because of my gender.

Z, asked for an example. Your reply was was graphic design, and announcements, and treasurer being the women's work. Your gender disqualifies you from this work.

And now we hear it is women's work because you do not have to pay them. You get to call them volunteers, and tell them to submit.

It is quite a racket. I cannot wait until all of those women stand. It will be awesome, and empowering. I love when women claim their person hood from fundamentalist ideologues.
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