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Two of the reasons why terms like "pop out babies" are used.
I wonder if the far-right fundamentalists believe Bristol Palin is "popping out" babies.
I know. It is so disrespectful. They use "baby daddy" instead of father, too. Only in their family is there a mother and father. As long as the woman submits.
Poor Bristol. She has caught herself up in the do as I say, not as I do, fundamentalist ideology. I hope she finds peace with her children.
Well I agree that the man should love his wife and never treat her as an inferior.
Scriptural or not, my point is, why include it at ALL? Those scriptures were written by whom? A man?
It is God's, Word...so yah...there's that.
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I don't see the point in saying it at ALL! Would ANY man want to say that in their vows? Hell NO unless he's a part of S+M and he likes being told what to do. Why should it be ANY different for a woman to not say it? She is not HIS belonging to boss her around.
Scripture doesn't tell men to submit to their wives -- we are to submit to Christ.
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I obey no one... well, maybe a cop with his lights flashing behind me! Just as no one, including my husband, should have to obey me for any reason.
1. If it fits what I want...then it's scriptural, and everyone should follow it (or at least say it). Or at least I should. You can do what you want and wind up in hell as God doesn't want robots.
2. If it doesn't fit what I want and is in the OT, well, Jesus came to wave away all that OT stuff. (If it's in the OT and DOES fit with what I want, please refer to Item 1.)
3. If it doesn't fit what I want and is in the Gospel, don't worry, Jesus said X but Paul "clarified" it...to something different.
4. If nothing fits scripturally, but feels good and well, I mean...I really want things a specific way, then whatever it says scripturally, OT or NT, was just a parable and/or was only for that specific time and/or was only specifically for that place and/or has a TOTALLY different meaning in Greek.
5. If it partially fits one part of scripture and partially doesn't fit it but a different part of scripture fits well, parse, and use a cute, fun yet amazingly profound meme to support it.
6. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
God's holy loophole. Amen. I wonder if people hear themselves sometimes. What about what God REALLY wants and not what "fits" with what you want...so you do the Bible Dance to find support for it? I'm obviously not referring to this one post alone, Vizio. So chew on that. "I fooled God" probably isn't something that's going to go over well on anybody's tombstone. Truth is truth and if you're trying to have your truth be that a woman should say she wants to submit because it's written that way...but she won't REALLY do it...well...WTH does that say for the way YOU interpret God's word, that word you claim to live by???
As my mom used to say...is it is or is it ain't, Viz?
1. If it fits what I want...then it's scriptural, and everyone should follow it (or at least say it). Or at least I should. You can do what you want and wind up in hell as God doesn't want robots.
No...if it's in the Bible, it's Scripture.
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2. If it doesn't fit what I want and is in the OT, well, Jesus came to wave away all that OT stuff. (If it's in the OT and DOES fit with what I want, please refer to Item 1.)
If it's not in the Bible, it's not Scripture. It really doesn't matter if I or anyone else likes it or not.
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3. If it doesn't fit what I want and is in the Gospel, don't worry, Jesus said X but Paul "clarified" it...to something different.
Well...if both Jesus and Paul address it, and Paul does indeed give us a more clear understanding.....then yah....both texts are inspired.
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4. If it partially fits one part of scripture and partially doesn't fit it but a different part of scripture fits well, parse, and use a cute, fun yet amazingly profound meme to support it.
Or just read the Scriptures and see what they say, then believe them?
One whom has received the Holy Spirit in their life can be taught of God, to both know and do His will in their life, there in is Jesus Lordship realized.
If One is looking for excuses ,the scriptures are commonly used for that.
God Knows the heart and one's desire to please Him, or please self ,
Which is it ?
Sleeping with women is dirty: No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as first-fruits to God and the Lamb. Revelation 14:3-4
The New Testament makes all people women and men.
Those firstfruits{firstfruits means they were just born} they are men and woman pregnant with a full grown man within them and they are about to give birth to the child they have raised.
The word, ''Women,'' in this instance is speaking about the flesh. That these people did not live a life giving into the desires of the flesh and they became virgins who give birth to full grown sons of God right there, ''Firstfruits.''
It's silly to use Revelation like that, there is nothing literal in it.
Excuse me, but were you there to SEE that God wrote those words himself? Wow, you are the ONLY person I know who has actually seen God.
Were you there to see that he DIDN'T write them?
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You were the one who quoted the scriptures, not me.
Bully for me... yes thanks, and that's the way it is in my corner of the world.
This entire thread is about women submitting in religion, and the largest of the religions, at least in America, is Christianity. I'm sorry if it bothers you that I actually mention Scripture.
I think we're largely in agreement here. I have preached through the "women submit" passages. While it says that women should submit to their husbands as Spiritual leaders, it also charges the men with actually loving them and not being hard-headed jerks, and being willing to lay our lives down for them.
Women are not inferior, but men and women do have different roles.
We are largely in agreement, but the sticking point is the "separate but equal" clause: "but men and women do have different roles."
The point here, Vizio, is that they are determined by fiat rather than capability and I don't believe that is from God.
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