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So that is the difference between Neil and yourself. He does not extrapolate anything from our ignorance
Neil is my Superman!
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Originally Posted by monumentus
Annnnnnnd straight back to the personal attacks on anyone who does not simply fall over and accept you nonsense. Real "agape love" stuff in practice there huh?
This is why I offered up a bit of advice for him to make time for self-reflection and introspection.
Yes...I understand your delusion old beast. Just label ANYTHING as 'god' and then claim that it's proof that god exists. As I said....please don't operate heavy machinery with that sort of logic.
That you say that is indicative you are not hip to the difference ol' plug!
Please keep watch for the guys from the glue factory...they're comin' to getcha!
And I might ad that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH CHOOSING NOT TO BELIEVE!
I am sure they will be over joyed to have your permission/endorsement. But I have to admit that in all my experiences with atheists.... which is larger than most given my work with Atheist Ireland, Atheist Alliance International, and now the Atheist organisations here in Germany where I now live........... I have yet to meet a single one who "chose" not to believe.
The issue, since this is a thread about Evidence, is that there is none. Evidence that is. There simply is no arguments, evidence, data or reasoning on offer by anyone, certainly not by you, that there is a god. Therefore the atheists lack of belief is not a "choice". They are simply UNABLE to believe the unsubstantiated.
And when evidence IS provided for a proposition, they do not CHOOSE to believe the proposition.... they are compelled to by the evidence.
So if YOU go around "choosing" to believe things then so be it. But do not assume other people are. You simply have an ability people like me lack. I am not ABLE to choose what to believe or not. I am either compelled to believe by the substantiation, or I am not. And I am certainly not by a lack of any and all substantiation, such as in the case of the claim there is an intentional intelligent agency you might call a god.
One wonders just how labile your credulity is with this ability you have to simply choose what to believe. Can you, for example, when presented with a patently empty box..... simply choose to believe it full of money? It is a remarkable skill, though given the nonsense it has the religious espousing at times I am not sure I envy you it.
I am sure they will be over joyed to have your permission/endorsement. But I have to admit that in all my experiences with atheists.... which is larger than most given my work with Atheist Ireland, Atheist Alliance International, and now the Atheist organisations here in Germany where I now live........... I have yet to meet a single one who "chose" not to believe.
The issue, since this is a thread about Evidence, is that there is none. Evidence that is. There simply is no arguments, evidence, data or reasoning on offer by anyone, certainly not by you, that there is a god. Therefore the atheists lack of belief is not a "choice". They are simply UNABLE to believe the unsubstantiated.
And when evidence IS provided for a proposition, they do not CHOOSE to believe the proposition.... they are compelled to by the evidence.
So if YOU go around "choosing" to believe things then so be it. But do not assume other people are. You simply have an ability people like me lack. I am not ABLE to choose what to believe or not. I am either compelled to believe by the substantiation, or I am not. And I am certainly not by a lack of any and all substantiation, such as in the case of the claim there is an intentional intelligent agency you might call a god.
One wonders just how labile your credulity is with this ability you have to simply choose what to believe. Can you, for example, when presented with a patently empty box..... simply choose to believe it full of money? It is a remarkable skill, though given the nonsense it has the religious espousing at times I am not sure I envy you it.
The real deal is: Many Atheists take a "No Evidence Whatsoever" premise...and CHOOSE to make particular determinations, draw conclusions, and adopt certain positions based upon that "No Evidence Whatsoever".
They could CHOOSE to make a different derermination, draw the opposite conclusion, and adopt another position...especially based on the incredibly vast amount of indirect and anecdotal evidentiary support it has...But, for whatever reason, CHOOSE not to.
They CHOOSE to make the illogical "Argument From Ignorance"...and use "No Evidence", as evidence.
Of course...this only applies to Religious Deity Gods. There is fully objective evidence to substantiate the known Non Religious Deity definitions of "G-O-D"...but the Atheists CHOOSE to cherry-pick and ignore those other known definitions of "G-O-D". Most often, to prevent "Godophobia" flare-ups.
I was not talking about people who choose what to do with the conclusions. I was talking about people who can choose to believe things. Of which I am not one. So I will not be following you down one of your usual unrelated rabbit holes.
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He's a great guy. 
