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Why don't you honestly look into this yourself, instead of demanding that
others who don't even know you spend hard time and effort typing at a keyboard
on some obscure message board ?
Why does providing evidence for god(s) involve so much hard time and effort?
Oh, really? I must have missed that.
I only recall a plea for redacting the known, expert, FULL definition of "G-O-D" to be just Religious Deities...and a bit of other insignificant and bogus straw-grabbing type stuff.
You wanna run that logical and reasonable rebuttal past me again? I don't ever remember seeing one. But, again, I mighta missed it...though I doubt it.
Go for it.
You didn't miss it. You just ignore it. It was pointed out that to pick a sub -definition of "god" was to ignore all the other entries which are actually more relevant to a religion forum. You also picked up Mystic's 'everything' = "God" therefore God exists. You conceded that for that title to be more appropriate than 'nature' it would have to be intelligent and forward -planning. I asked you to show that was so. Still waiting and indeed you are purporting to have 'missed it'.
That has put paid to your credibility.
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Originally Posted by Snowball7
Why don't you honestly look into this yourself, instead of demanding that
others who don't even know you spend hard time and effort typing at a keyboard
on some obscure message board ?
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Originally Posted by Freak80
Why does providing evidence for god(s) involve so much hard time and effort?
Indeed.It is a hoary old ploy to decline to substantiate their god -claim and to tell us to go and do the research ourselves. That we have been doing here forre years - and then we are asked why we spend so much time talking about it if we don't believe it? The answer is that we are looking for some good evidence to support the god -claim. if there was really good evidence, we would be convinced. So far, it has not been presented. All the 'evidence' crumbles on examination.
What is this "evidence" you people demand ?
Are you sure you even want it ?
We "deists" don't go around
demanding evidence from atheists for the NON-existence of God.
By placing this illogical burden on us, you presume that the NON-
existence of God is predisposed, which is b.s.
Evidence. Something that is verifiable that can substantiate the wild, irrational claism of christianity.
Yes, we're sure.
Our evidence is voluminous. For example, there are no photographs of your god. No astronomer has found "heaven", medical science has found no soul, and all the stories of the bible have been shown to be false, or at the very least, unsubstantiated by fact or logic. Still we are open to real, substantive evidence. Got any?
By way of background, I was born Catholic, but in my 20's walked away from all forms of religion and became a non-believer. Why? I just couldn't swallow such fantastic flights of fantasy, and so many disconnects in logic and rationality without at least some substantive, verifiable evidence. I don't believe in Santa Claus, BTW, for the same reasons I don't believe in any god or creator etc., or a "life" after death, re-birth, reincarnation etc., of any type. There simply isn't, in my experience, any evidence whatsoever.
However, I am open to new information, and would ask if anyone has any direct evidence, please present it.
Two basic standards apply:
1. It has to be verifiably true
2. It has to have direct evidentiary value. IOW, it has to speak directly and substantively to the premise that there is, in fact, a god.
BTW, no dogma-as-evidence or anecdotal submissions - only real "stuff" that can be verified.
Well, you shouldn't believe something just because someone told you, that's what Christians and Atheists do. They try to coerce you until you accept their beliefs. It's my belief that both are wrong and I've had strange experiences (visions, dreams, etc.) throughout my life that have influenced me to believe as I do. For me, it's all Jesus. I'd still be an Atheist had I not had the experiences I did. I do believe in something greater than this world, I just don't believe in myself do ANYTHING at all for that. I was raised in Catholicism, myself, but my heart was never in it.
Well, you shouldn't believe something just because someone told you, that's what Christians and Atheists do. They try to coerce you until you accept their beliefs. It's my belief that both are wrong and I've had strange experiences (visions, dreams, etc.) throughout my life that have influenced me to believe as I do. For me, it's all Jesus. I'd still be an Atheist had I not had the experiences I did. I do believe in something greater than this world, I just don't believe in myself do ANYTHING at all for that. I was raised in Catholicism, myself, but my heart was never in it.
Exactly what have we Atheists tried to coerce you or anyone into believing just because we say so? How do you know your dreams and visions come from Jesus?
Evidence can either support a premise, or contradict a premise, but it must speak definitely to the premis.
I am looking for evidence that supports the premise that there is, in fact, a god, creator etc.
No you are NOT. You are looking for any evidence of a God or creator OTHER THAN the one you implicitly accept as responsible for the existence of our current reality including your existence. You blindly accept the existence of our reality without the slightest idea what IT IS or why it is. That is blindly accepting a God.
Exactly what have we Atheists tried to coerce you or anyone into believing just because we say so? How do you know your dreams and visions come from Jesus?
Oh, lets see, I'm (insert dozens of rude and insulting words) if I say I believe in God. Atheists do this behind my back, too, probably even moreso. But to be fair, Christians essentially do the same thing to me, but in a nicer looking way, which is even more insulting.
How do I know my dreams and visions come from Jesus? I don't absolutely know, but even if they didn't, there's still something about the whole God thing that hits me deep.
Oh, lets see, I'm (insert dozens of rude and insulting words) if I say I believe in God. Atheists do this behind my back, too, probably even moreso. But to be fair, Christians essentially do the same thing to me, but in a nicer looking way, which is even more insulting.
How do I know my dreams and visions come from Jesus? I don't absolutely know, but even if they didn't, there's still something about the whole God thing that hits me deep.
I'm calling your bluff on the highlighted statement. Can you provide specific examples?
So,(correct me if I'm wrong), it could one of any number of Gods, but you choose Jesus because that's what you been raised to believe is the most probable deity. Is it possible that these visions and dreams originated in your own brain and not from some supernatural source?
No you are NOT. You are looking for any evidence of a God or creator OTHER THAN the one you implicitly accept as responsible for the existence of our current reality including your existence. You blindly accept the existence of our reality without the slightest idea what IT IS or why it is. That is blindly accepting a God.
Oh, man! This is sweet!
This very concept is what cracks me up. Just to think about it...let alone see it written out in no uncertain terms!
We have people that exist within and as part of God...and are the essence of God themselves (like everyone and everything)...that then ask for the evidence for God, cuz they don't know of any! That's rich!
But I love the Atheists anyway...I mean, I was one for near 40 years, and have never been at all Religious. Well, not for real, anyway.
The Atheists cling to their "no evidence" premise...and ride that illogical horse to a conclusion and determination that they shouldn't believe in the existence of everything they experience every second of their life.
Matter of fact...there are few concepts that have more people more aware of more evidence against it than Atheism.
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