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Old 05-29-2016, 08:58 AM
 
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This Topic was inspired by another poster who compared "god" as the heavenly father to our "earthly" fathers and noted similarities from the point of view of the children

My own father was a D- grade who spent as much time as he spent around us (which was not a lot, thankfully) Controlling and going out of his way to destroy every ounce of our self -esteem. While he maintained a "know it all" attitude and acted as a dictator, we later came to find out that his own self esteem was negligible at best, as well as the later realization that based on his advise, he really did not know "everything". In fact, he was closer to the opposite, but since life is not an all or nothing black or white issue (in spite of the fact that he still observes it as such to this day) I will not dwell on that but to say that when I have followed his advice(or his "control") I have been met with failure more times than not.

SO looking at my father, who acted as though he was "god", looking at his own self hatred, self defeating and self loathing attitude, I began to do a deeper psychoanalysis of the Abrahamic God (which, I believe, to be fictitious, so this analysis is the same as doing one for Sherlock Holmes or Falstaff.)

Using written sources, such as the Koran Bible, Old Testament, etc I was able to access a few psychology profiles, first isolating any disorders or abnormalities. I did get strong results answering as "god" would, based on written texts, of some personality disorders. (Interesting because I believe to this day that my own father suffered from Borderline Personality Disorder, but refused to seek any treatment, of course, saying the problem was not with him but with everyone else.)

For Example:
Isolating a Narcissistic Disorder, for God, then looking back on behaviors, we see a repeated pattern of murder and revenge, one who spews forth hatred of anyone who fails to fall down and worship him. We see this at the Walls of Jericho, the Slaughter of the idol-worshipers at Mecca, the slaughter of the Amalek.....the list goes on.
Raging anger, which results in killing, (psychopathology ?) Usually is a clear indication of self hatred.

Then there are the first half of the commandments, The Ten Commandments start with commanding worship. Apparently, some god somewhere was too afraid that if he did not command people to worship him, then they might not.
Personally, If I were god, I would not care whether people worship me or not. Heck, I am NOT god and I do not care. Do not say"OH OH That is sad the way your dad was so abusive." My ego does not require that. I am OK ! I have moved on to bigger and better things without him. And enjoying it !
But egotism.....the god sized one of the deity in question, seems to indicate some lack of self-confidence, which generates clearly from a lack of self acceptance. So God, in the Abrahamic tradition, does not even accept himself, with all of his insecurities and flaws. (Check out the interesting psychology books online for further analysis)
It would appear, then, that the god, a creation of man, was created by self-loathing, insecure men, who perhaps had inadequate examples all around them. Using the limited resources, they created a god and attributed all that was seen and unseen to him. They characterized this god as though he were made in their image, a superhuman of sorts, with the egotistical problems, and the same negative attributes and shortcomings that they themselves had.

That included a degree of self doubt, self loathing and a lack of self acceptance, which primitive man could not fathom, but could express, and they created a self loathing, self hating god who constantly makes mistakes, but denies his own imperfections, all the while possibly knowing that he is a total failure.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:35 AM
 
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Meh, now you are just going to get a lot of believers deriding your impertinence and blasphemy for making forbidden observations in violation of Special Pleading Directive Z-12 sub-paragraph c.

Besides, how the holy books describe god and/or his sub-personalities like Jesus or the Holy Spirit is all over the map, ranging from authoritarian sociopath to meek and mild avuncular buddy. So people who focus on god's mercy, grace and benevolence will think on top of it all that you're completely misrepresenting god.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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...and then told that is perfect love..and everyone goes along with it and agrees..something's not adding up...something's wrong with me???
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:09 AM
 
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Meh, now you are just going to get a lot of believers deriding your impertinence and blasphemy for making forbidden observations in violation of Special Pleading Directive Z-12 sub-paragraph c.

Besides, how the holy books describe god and/or his sub-personalities like Jesus or the Holy Spirit is all over the map, ranging from authoritarian sociopath to meek and mild avuncular buddy. So people who focus on god's mercy, grace and benevolence will think on top of it all that you're completely misrepresenting god.
Then why not purge such negative concepts from all scriptures?
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:15 AM
 
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Meh, now you are just going to get a lot of believers deriding your impertinence and blasphemy for making forbidden observations in violation of Special Pleading Directive Z-12 sub-paragraph c.

Besides, how the holy books describe god and/or his sub-personalities like Jesus or the Holy Spirit is all over the map, ranging from authoritarian sociopath to meek and mild avuncular buddy. So people who focus on god's mercy, grace and benevolence will think on top of it all that you're completely misrepresenting god.
People are entitled to make whatever observations they wish, especially as the god depicted in the Bible comes over as a psychopath.
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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For a god to hate himself, god has to exist first.

To OP,
Do you believe in the existence of God?
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Old 05-29-2016, 05:11 PM
 
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What is interesting is that those who were raised by an abusive father often have a very poor relationship with God.

My father was very loving, kind, considerate yet you knew the boundaries. I have a very loving relationship with my heavenly Father.

One day, before my dad died, I said: "Dad, you know that verse that says "the pure in heart shall see God"? He said Yes. I said I think I finally figured that out. He said "Oh?" I said: Yes, when I see you I see God because I see all the attributes of God in you.
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Old 05-29-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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This Topic was inspired by another poster who compared "god" as the heavenly father to our "earthly" fathers and noted similarities from the point of view of the children
if you take the book literally that's on you. Yes, all descriptions of "god" are human. and some children have every right to be pissed at their father. I wish more kids would stop covering up bad parenting and address the problem of putting things in their past and start working for the greater good.
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Old 05-29-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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* smh *

No.
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Old 05-29-2016, 06:13 PM
 
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No God is love the polar opposite to hate.
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