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Old 11-17-2018, 07:28 AM
 
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faith would not be required.
There is nothing that's absolutely infallible...everything requires faith to give it merit, to a greater or lesser degree. But that doesn't keep things from "making sense" to some, many, or most...including religion.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Germany
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However, what we can learn from the Bible is that God has His 'higher plane' heavenly home location -> 1st Kings 8:39,49.

No, we learn from the Bible that people believed that, not whether it is true or not.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Why would anyone expect agreeing because Not all professing Christians are Christian.
Jesus forewarned us at Matthew 7:21-23 that MANY would call him Lord but are proving false.
So, the bottom line is that genuine ' wheat ' Christians keep Jesus' NEW commandment of John 13:34-35.
They have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
Also,they keep Jesus' instructions as found at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 to spread the good news of God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44 on an international scale as it is now being done world wide.

Because the different gods are evidence they are all made up. Including yours. Because if we had evidence for your god, we would expect the different religions to be closer to each other based on that evidence.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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And right there, in one word -- the word you chose -- is the whole basis of christianity: maybe.
That could be said of your beliefs also, no? We all have decided what we believe, based on the evidence.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The existence of something beyond our understandable universe does not make it "magic". Just as lower primates probably think that humans are magic because of our abilities to do things beyond their understanding.

The only "magic" I can see is the belief by atheists that everything just magically appeared by itself. No thought or design went into the universe. That's the ultimate magical fantasy.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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The existence of something beyond our understandable universe does not make it "magic". Just as lower primates probably think that humans are magic because of our abilities to do things beyond their understanding.


Except Christians are not arguing for something natural but unknown, they are arguing for the equivalent of magic.


The only "magic" I can see is the belief by atheists that everything just magically appeared by itself. No thought or design went into the universe. That's the ultimate magical fantasy.

Oh those straw man atheists. No atheist I know thinks that. And can you not keep your story straight? In your first paragraph you said the 'existence of something beyond our understandable universe does not make it "magic"', but in your second paragraph you have claimed that it IS magic.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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I'm sorry, as I was honestly not trying to insult the Bible. I revere the Bible myself and read it on a daily basis. I was just trying to point out the atheist flaw by using their own logic.

Try again, you failed miserably the first time.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Yes. The laws of nature.
No intelligent being required.
No origin for those laws? How can laws be put in place without a starter of some sort?
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:18 AM
 
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A non sequitur is a logical fallacy, not a logical conclusion.
But “we don’t know-it all just happened” makes perfect sense.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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lets us see if me just not being clear.

My claim: humans are in a larger more complex system and we are connected to that system from biology to the fundamental fabric of space.

experiment:

1) complexity verses volume ratio. Using a cell and the number of chemical reactions in that cell over a time interval, compare that ratio to the biosphere's complexity vs volume ratio.

i used the middle numbers for cell dimensions. The volume of biosphere is a little tricker due to the volume of the atmosphere. But include the volume of the atmosphere, it really doesn't change the results.

2) a measurement.

the measurement.

using a meter stick, put a cell, at one end, a virus in the middle, and the LHC on the other end. If you don't know what a LHC is and just how complicated it is, that means you don't even know what you measuring. Be that as it may, use your computer, its good enough.

in your backyard hold the meter stick at arms lengths. Move the meter stick back and forth until the the interactions in your back ground line up to the interactions on the stick. record and take it to your high school teacher.

so harry, it aint me thats BS. this deny everything because of how you feel about religion sect of atheism is BS.

I have to be honest harry. My claim is so sound that I just don't believe you. I have spoken to at 20 professors in the sciences and they all said "yes, I can clearly see it." You actually sound just like a fundy denying evolution.

Like a fundy theist using other fundy theist, you using people that use the tactic of "deny everything we can to stop religion" doesn't really change the fact of my claim. If we are in a larger more complex system and classify humans as life, how do we classify the larger system? lmao harry, its such and easy notion, you denying it telling.

Now post that in the science section. Here, let me help.


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