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Old 06-01-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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Just like anything else, from the penalty of a poor decision.
Any poor decision I make I will pay for in this lifetime, not some imaginary entity in some ether world. Same as anyone else.
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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By those individuals. Not by mumbo jumbo.
Well, if a person believes in God as their creator, they may feel inclined to seek His forgiveness.
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Any poor decision I make I will pay for in this lifetime, not some imaginary entity in some ether world. Same as anyone else.
Unless there is a creator. That could make a difference.
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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All the cells and atoms in your body are being constantly replaced. But you retain your soul. Not only that, but you have a unique soul that entered into existence in what would otherwise be a totally arbitrary manner..............
I am wondering how one can retain one's soul because I find ALL of Adam 'returned ' to dust - Genesis 3:19
Adam was formed lifeless.
Adam did Not come to life before his God breathed the 'breath of life' into life-less Adam - Genesis 2:7
At that point then Adam became a living person, a living soul.
Thus, Adam went from non-life, to life, and at death returned to non-life.
At death Adam became a dead person, a dead soul.
That is why Ezekiel 18:4,20 can say the soul that sins dies
Gospel writer Luke also wrote the soul can be destroyed at Acts 3:23.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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Unless there is a creator. That could make a difference.
even if there is a creator you do not understand it if you think it would put us in hell forever.

you have to understand why the notion of hell was put in there. By your creator if you like.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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even if there is a creator you do not understand it if you think it would put us in hell forever.

you have to understand why the notion of hell was put in there. By your creator if you like.
If there is a creator, perhaps the biblical story of redemption is important, even comforting to some.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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If there is a creator, perhaps the biblical story of redemption is important, even comforting to some.
Bravo, jimmie!

That's the closest I've seen you come to speaking from your heart.

It's unfortunate your brand of Christianity is focused on fostering fear. And that you need to believe magic words to save your eternal soul from your god-thing's hell.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Well, if a person believes in God as their creator, they may feel inclined to seek His forgiveness.
They are free to do that.
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Old 06-01-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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If there is a creator, perhaps the biblical story of redemption is important, even comforting to some.
you are mixing up a story of redemption, which in of itself is fine, with putting people in hell for ever.

people do the same thing with accountability and free will. Some people just can't separate notions.

a god as smart as you think yours is knows we can have redemption without eternal damnation as some people teach.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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you are mixing up a story of redemption, which in of itself is fine, with putting people in hell for ever.

people do the same thing with accountability and free will. Some people just can't separate notions.

a god as smart as you think yours is knows we can have redemption without eternal damnation as some people teach.
I’m glad you understand the Bible is a story of redemption. I’m pleasantly surprised!
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