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I think you said that very well. I believe what I believe, and no amount of being told to prove it to detractors or shut up changes anything.
By that token, I don't give a rats ass who is atheist except if they follow me around posting ugly missives and pretending to misunderstand what I'm saying.
Certainly, posters of any belief/nonbelief with thoughtful comments and statements make for a very, very interesting discussion.
It's the whole "you haven't convinced me, so stop talking" crowd just seems silly.
And for those who say well aren't Christians charged with spreading the word of God? Yes, we are. But we aren't charged with forcing the seeds to grow in those who hear it but don't believe.
I yearn for it too but such discussions really happen - and even if they do, they are very brief and quickly turn into tasteless, layman type old and beaten up rhetoric of “provide evidence that God exist”, “ I want water in the glass turn into while as an evidence that God exists, I want to see limb grow as an evidence that God exists” etc.
I think some atheists are also scared that theists are trying to convert them so they quickly take shelter under these shallow sentences.
Philosophical discussion, looks like, not only requires a curious mind and will to pursue knowledge but also some bravery.
And this seems hard to find in these discussions these days.
What I don't like is when posters aggressively state that I have to convince them of my beliefs.
Posters here should be able to believe what they believe, and post it, and shouldn't be burdened with convincing anyone else.
Like, if you were to post that you really really love your new car, because ________. Someone shouldn't be able to come back and say well that can't be true because you haven't convinced me, and "blind spot" is subjective. And then later go on to say you've posted that trucks are worthless.
I don't really give a damn if they like my car.
You can post about your new car, and those who are interested in reading about it and looking further into it should, those who don't agree it's a pretty design shouldn't be able to insist you convince them it is.
Or anyway, that's how I see it.
Interesting, Clara. Who is forcing you to engage? Simply express your beliefs are your beliefs - and let it go at that. That you are attempting to offer arguments for what you believe is as much on you as anyone else.
I yearn for it too but such discussions really happen - and even if they do, they are very brief and quickly turn into tasteless, layman type old and beaten up rhetoric of “provide evidence that God exist”, “ I want water in the glass turn into while as an evidence that God exists, I want to see limb grow as an evidence that God exists” etc.
I think some atheists are also scared that theists are trying to convert them so they quickly take shelter under these shallow sentences.
Philosophical discussion, looks like, not only requires a curious mind and will to pursue knowledge but also some bravery.
And this seems hard to find in these discussions these days.
I don't know about the bravery part, but they certainly require some level of emotional maturity.
I don't know about the bravery part, but they certainly require some level of emotional maturity.
very true grad. I can only use my statements of belief as an example because thats what i know.
When a person has to deny that we are surrounded by life and that system of life influences us due to an anti-religious central dogma, that shows me an adolescent type brain state. i am sure that theist have the same brain states in them.
very true grad. I can only use my statements of belief as an example because thats what i know.
When a person has to deny that we are surrounded by life and that system of life influences us due to an anti-religious central dogma, that shows me an adolescent type brain state. i am sure that theist have the same brain states in them.
No one should have to declare any statements of belief or disbelief whatsoever in order to discuss world religions, mythologies, relocation, and spirituality.
Hopefully it wasn't lost on you that the way you defined 1 and 3 were exactly the same except that #3 provides the why that I discussed in very first post. Thank you for confirming that post. Maybe that'll help you understand the linguistic irony here. There's no spin here. Words have meaning. Atheism only means without theism.
Is there a translator free anywhere??
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Originally Posted by ClaraC
What I don't like is when posters aggressively state that I have to convince them of my beliefs.
That will be required the very second that you tell us that your beliefs are true. Until that time you have no need to - unless you are interested in discussion.
When you have to start vetting people, you're no different than the boogeyman you've constructed.
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