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Old 05-07-2008, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Originally Posted by Visvaldis View Post
You can only "prove" the existence of god because he is in your head, nowhere else.
How can you begin to know where God is or is not? You don't believe, so He won't interfere with your free choice.
How can you know how He relates and guides me.
You can't.
I have proven My Fathers existence, and He is awesome.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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How can you begin to know where God is or is not? You don't believe, so He won't interfere with your free choice.
How can you know how He relates and guides me.
You can't.
I have proven My Fathers existence, and He is awesome.

godspeed,

freedom
How do you know it is not you guiding yourself?
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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How do you know it is not you guiding yourself?
Because God sounds nothing like me, and He is far wiser than me.
I could in no way have known His ways without Him teaching me. Nor any of the other attitudes of righteousness without His guidance. You can read about it, but it isn't real until He moves your spirit to understanding.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:43 AM
 
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Because God sounds nothing like me, and He is far wiser than me.
I could in no way have known His ways without Him teaching me. Nor any of the other attitudes of righteousness without His guidance. You can read about it, but it isn't real until He moves your spirit to understanding.

godspeed,

freedom

well your the one talking not him. I dont think god will ever talk since he isn't real! I mean it sure doesn't sound like god in the old testament or the New testament and really there is two many wholes in the religion all together since god sees in the future past and present. however saying you can see the future means there is fate. Fate contradicts free will. which the bible says we have.

god is an terrorist in the old testament if i ever met i would shoot no offense but he killed to many for no reason
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:45 AM
 
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Surely you knew that when you asked the question, no one can prove to you and no one can disprove Him to me.
no theres no proving unless god him self comes down but he will never.

Only disproving and only way we can do that is history and punching holes in your bible which we have been quite successful at
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:50 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I don't think there is one, but I've been wrong before today and I'm sure I'll be wrong about things in the future. Whether I'm wrong about God or not really doesn't matter, my beliefs affect no one but me. Whatever will be will be.
This actually isn’t true. If you believe (falsely or not) that your neighbour is a pervert your conviction could affect others beside you.


Originally Posted by DimSumRaja
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gotta agree with ian here....it's like asking someone to prove they are loved! to prove they are in love! to prove they experience the joy of love! to prove they feel love surrounding and enfolding them!
The thing is that when your love is not being answered (unrequited love) it also is not ‘real’.
Most stalkers exhibit this type of behaviour because they actually believe that their idol wants them to act obsessively in love with them, which often is not the case.

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ROFL that's like calling gravity "an opinion"
LOL that's like saying "It is a matter of opinion whether gravity exists"
gravity just is, same as spirit
the only variable is a human's capacity to comprehend
Actually gravity follows a set of rules called logic.
Once logic stops being logical, science stops being science.

And sometimes people see things that truly are not there (hallucinations).


Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA
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Yes! It is my opinion, my belief.
If faith is just an opinion then why read the Bible at all?


Originally Posted by EagleFeatherFloats
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Science requires more faith to work than any claim by religious sentiment.
This actually is untrue. A hypothesis might require some faith, but once it is proven it becomes knowledge.
A proven hypothesis does not need any faith to work, so knowledge (or logic) does not require any faith at all.

Religion on the other hand does not rely on proof at all, because if it did it would be science.
So, religion needs more faith than science ever will, simply because some things in religion (and philosophy) cannot be proven (yet).
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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well your the one talking not him. I dont think god will ever talk since he isn't real! I mean it sure doesn't sound like god in the old testament or the New testament and really there is two many wholes in the religion all together since god sees in the future past and present. however saying you can see the future means there is fate. Fate contradicts free will. which the bible says we have.

god is an terrorist in the old testament if i ever met i would shoot no offense but he killed to many for no reason
How can you begin to know who is talking? You don't believe, so you don't have ears that hear. He is a still small voice, one of inner guidance, you must tune into His channel, then you can hear what He has to say.

God is much more than how we interpret His word. The interpretation is always limited by the one who is interpretting, the errors are on man.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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well your the one talking not him. I dont think god will ever talk since he isn't real! I mean it sure doesn't sound like god in the old testament or the New testament and really there is two many wholes in the religion all together since god sees in the future past and present. however saying you can see the future means there is fate. Fate contradicts free will. which the bible says we have.

god is an terrorist in the old testament if i ever met i would shoot no offense but he killed to many for no reason
Well, he'd be the one telling me to do things that were NOT in my own self-interest. Because me, I'm only looking out for ME. Now, if something compels me to help someone else, it must be God, because it's not in MY nature.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:00 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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no theres no proving unless god him self comes down but he will never.

Only disproving and only way we can do that is history and punching holes in your bible which we have been quite successful at
No there are no holes in my Bible and I believe as Jesus said He will return.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:38 AM
 
Location: morocco
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Prove there is a god, but no bible quotes, please. You would have to prove the bible is truth first, and no one has been able to do that.


I have not ever met one person who could prove there was a god, but they insist there is one.
I hope that you will have the answer here :
https://www.city-data.com/forum/relig...llaah-god.html
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