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history is (as my grandfather said grinning) "his story."
i remember in high school there was a classmate who seriously, honestly, actually believed that women were stupid and inferior and contributed nothing to humanity and had no accomplishments because "if they did it would be in the history books. they are not in the history books so they haven't done anything." he actually believed that. he actually believed that what was in the history books was fact.
Kinda like the people who believe old "holy" books are factual and historically accurate.
So why indoctrinate them? Teach them HOW to think, not WHAT to think.
Exactly.
I had a colleague who was christian and she and her husband had 2 kids. Once a month the kids had to go to "their church". Once a month -- as a family -- they would go to some other religious setting (both within christianity and outside of christianity, with the focus on the latter). The other 2 weeks a month the kids could choose where to go.
Ultimately, when they got to late high school, they both chose to stay within their family's faith, but they had a healthy respect for other religions.
[SIGH] Speaking of missing the point... my post addressed none of those things you describe, so there was no point to be missed. Knock yourself out, if you want to wax poetic about about how religion functions in a person's life... or notions of "awakening" or "souls" or "where that leads"... or emotions or intellect or spirit or nourishment or exploration or discovery... or free choice... or any other ethereal concepts you might care to toss around. But they have no relation to my post, which focused entirely on the objective facts (or more accurately, things we understand to be facts), contrasting those we have learned by studying and understanding the world around us and how it works... with those we have "learned" (using that term loosely) by creating deities and building religious structures around those deities.
My thought experiment stands as written. To recap and extend, if we wiped out our current knowledge of how the human body works, or how the earth is shaped, or how it and other planets move around the sun, or how species evolved... we would eventually discover (or uncover) those things again, and those facts would be just as they are now. By contrast, there is no reason to think that we would (and every reason to think that we would NOT) work our way back to the same configuration of deities and stories and rituals that we have today, in the realm of religion. If we somehow started over again, we would almost surely never hear of talking snakes and donkeys, or the Garden of Eden, or Noah's ark, or Muhammad riding the Buraq, or Joseph Smith's golden plates, or ancient Hebrew tribes lost in North America, or Thor's hammer, or Zeus' lightning bolts, or Neptune's trident, or the KJV, or Purgatory, or Transubstantiation, or the Last Supper, or stone tablets from Mt Sinai, or David and Goliath, or planet-toting turtles, or an entire gang of Hindi gods and goddesses with extra sets of arms, or Loki or Baal or Satan, or alien Thetans, or Scientology Audits, or, or, or...... (sorry space won't allow more, insert your favorites here).
Why won't we reproduce that same cast of characters, with their idiosyncracies and rules and expectations, with their own particular ways of communicating with their creations (or not)? Because they are all transparently human creations, and the next set of humans, unencumbered by all that prior "knowledge," would come up with something completely different. For me, that calls into question the entire collection.
what you are describing and focusing on is the external form, without any sense of the internal component . that is what i mean by missing the point entirely.
Why would anyone teach about opportunites that they believed to be wrong ______________
There is a difference between indoctrination and discipline and instruction / guidance - Ephesians 6:3.
For it is propaganda that teaches 'what' to think.
Education teaches 'how' to think
The Bible teaches 'the way to serve God' (governed by morality as by what Jesus taught) Example: Sermon on the Mount.
( Science is Not supposed to be the teacher or morality )
So why indoctrinate them? Teach them HOW to think, not WHAT to think.
Back in the 60's a student at Columbia University was going to be a teacher of what he thought.
Not HOW to think but WHAT to think to make this country better under socialism. No other choice he would give.
He was one example of the many that Columbia U. produced.
The Bible is Not propaganda (WHAT to think) otherwise Adam could Not have been a self-made sinner.
Education is HOW to think.
The Bible teaches the WAY to serve God as Jesus served his God - John 4:23-24.
Jesus as the teacher of love governed by morality. Example: Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
Why would anyone teach about opportunites that they believed to be wrong ______________
There is a difference between indoctrination and discipline and instruction / guidance - Ephesians 6:3.
For it is propaganda that teaches 'what' to think.
Education teaches 'how' to think
The Bible teaches 'the way to serve God' (governed by morality as by what Jesus taught) Example: Sermon on the Mount.
( Science is Not supposed to be the teacher or morality )
How about believing in freedom of thought.
But I forgot, your religion doesn't believe in that.
Discuss your thoughts. Should children be able to choose what to believe and develop critical thinking and reasoning skills and not just have them spoonfed whatever the parents believe?
For reference, lets define indoctrination as teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs without questioning them
“Particular faith”??
The thread title reeks bias.
Is raising kids in Atheism indoctrination?
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