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I'm reminded of the minister of Stone Church who phoned up atheist experience to complain that the kids he was trying to inculcate with religion loved watching atheist experience and seeing the Theists get trundled.
Lively old thread this - takes some keeping up
Wow. You are so anti-religion you even watch that garbage? Yah. Right. No bias could POSSIBLY shown there.....
No where in that definition does it say the stories are fact, truth, certainty, non-fiction, or reality. They are simply just stories. And under your link to the definition of myth it gives the example of the creation myth story.
It doesn't say that they must be untrue. Your assumption is that, when it makes no comment on truthfulness, it must be lies? Saying something is "simply just stories" calls into question the definition of "story" -- here are two definitions easily available
1. an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment.
"an adventure story"
2. an account of past events in someone's life or in the evolution of something.
"the story of modern farming"
Again, nothing in definition 2 saying it is false. You are limiting your understanding of "myth" to a definition which demands that the events are untrue (this falls in line with the OED's definition, but not the others) but other people use different definitions.
few things are more naive than claiming history is "fact, truth, certainty, non fiction, reality."
which seems to be what you are putting forth when you say history is the opposite of myth.
history oftentimes is none of the above. To claim that it is shows an astonishing naivete and lack of depth.
I never claimed history is any of those things but thanks for your strawmans.
It doesn't say that they must be untrue. Your assumption is that, when it makes no comment on truthfulness, it must be lies? Saying something is "simply just stories" calls into question the definition of "story" -- here are two definitions easily available
1. an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment.
"an adventure story"
2. an account of past events in someone's life or in the evolution of something.
"the story of modern farming"
Again, nothing in definition 2 saying it is false. You are limiting your understanding of "myth" to a definition which demands that the events are untrue (this falls in line with the OED's definition, but not the others) but other people use different definitions.
A myth story cannot be objectively true. It can though be subjectively true.
A myth story cannot be objectively true. It can though be subjectively true.
Not necessarily so. The myth of the Golden Fleece was an objective fact. Fleece was used as a gold-panning technique as the heavier gold would get trapped in the fleece and the lighter sand would wash through. Picking and choosing what is true is a necessary part of understanding myths and legends.
Not necessarily so. The myth of the Golden Fleece was an objective fact. Fleece was used as a gold-panning technique as the heavier gold would get trapped in the fleece and the lighter sand would wash through. Picking and choosing what is true is a necessary part of understanding myths and legends.
I'm risking off topic here but it has to be said. Your argument is the perennial one in trying to weed out history from myth. I can recall from my schooldays and teens various attempts to make the Bible stories look credible by Interpreting them as real events (you will recall the Black Sea flood). Now, never mind that, by casting them as real plagues, a sudden sucking back of the red sea an eclipse at the crucifixion and disease in the Assyrian camp took God out of the picture and made it secular history.
This isn't a problem for Greek Myth and nobody (outside Greece) believes them now. But you'd have found yourself drinking Hemlock in the old days.
The problem is that sometimes a plausible explanation will perpetuate even a goddless version of a myth as plausible history when in fact it is just a lie.
Take the Assyrians Besieging Hezekiah. Disease in the camp is a neat explanation and never mind God. But the evidence is that it is a lie. The Assyrians were never smit, The Jews submit, and that was it. The evidence suggests that the ones who lost wrote the history in that instance.
Your mom passed along the belief a god exists. That’s the core of your indoctrination jimmiej.
You will never not believe in god, right jimmiej?
See how indoctrination works?
No, he can't see it because he is indoctrinated and he indoctrinates.
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I'm reminded of the minister of Stone Church who phoned up atheist experience to complain that the kids he was trying to inculcate with religion loved watching atheist experience and seeing the Theists get trundled. 
I need hardly comment. 
A myth story cannot be objectively true. It can though be subjectively true.
but it has to be said. Your argument is the perennial one in trying to weed out history from myth. I can recall from my schooldays and teens various attempts to make the Bible stories look credible by Interpreting them as real events (you will recall the Black Sea flood). Now, never mind that, by casting them as real plagues, a sudden sucking back of the red sea an eclipse at the crucifixion and disease in the Assyrian camp took God out of the picture and made it secular history.
