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You are veering off into nonsense. Science doesn't answer everything. In fact it doesn't answer any of the really important questions of why anything, or something does exist, how it got here, where it's going.
Neither does religion, which just asserts things. Jehovah spoke, Mbombo was sick, ...
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It's just a collection of facts about whatever layer of an infinite onion we are presently looking at.
No, it is a methodology to determine the most probable truth of something.
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Your blind belief in science is a religion.
Science works, and can be tested. It also has no problem changing as we discover new information. that is not blind belief.
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At least most religions provide answers.
Asserts answers that have often been shown to be wrong.
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That you don't believe them is your problem, not religions'. And if religions ask for blind obedience, so do you with science. A zealot is a zealot.
no, it does not.
statement in bold above demonstrates an ignorance (lack of knowledge and information) of religion.
again.
religion is not an argument. it is not about convincing. it is a path a person chooses and participates in and applies to daily living.
I have to agree with trans here. Its fine to believe this. But but when theist are saying religion is describing how things work over the scientific method thats when we have problems.
Laws based on "My god said so" tend to be less reliable, and more exclusive, than laws that never bring up the word god or religion.
And to avoid saying saying "the data doesn't look like its supports my god but my god supports people in need" isn't what I call the most honest thing to do. Unless of course, you stay away from form people asking how the universe works.
Faith vs the scientific method. Its really not even a fair fight.
Certainly not, not when Faith is so much easier.
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I have to agree with trans here. Its fine to believe this. But but when theist are saying religion is describing how things work over the scientific method thats when we have problems.
Laws based on "My god said so" tend to be less reliable, and more exclusive, than laws that never bring up the word god or religion.
And to avoid saying saying "the data doesn't look like its supports my god but my god supports people in need" isn't what I call the most honest thing to do. Unless of course, you stay away from form people asking how the universe works.
Thanks old pal I owe you one. There'll be a hot apple pie in the oven when you get home...
Thanks old pal I owe you one. There'll be a hot apple pie in the oven when you get home...
Thank you for the invite and we will visit, we like pie, but it aint my home. You are also invited to stay with me and mine during your travels if need be. We will gladly leave the light on for you.
Faith vs the scientific method. Its really not even a fair fight.
it is not a fight at all.
because there is no fight.
those with logic, common sense, reasoning, balance, and critical thinking skills are able to grasp that. with ease.
while those who have been indoctrinated to see "fight" only see "fight." they are unable to integrate and understand and acknowledge a variety of elements and aspects; and the relationship between them. in life. in humankind. and within the individual.
clearly those indoctrinated in that way struggle with the concept that there is no fight. they have painted themselves into a corner by clinging to that indoctrination which they have been (in the parlance of the opening post) spoonfed. the "fight" mentality of "faith vs scientific method" characterizes a narrow mind.
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You may be right there and I see the science -skeptical (preferring Faith) mindset very peculiar. Those who are able to reconcile (or compartmentalise, perhaps) faith and science...I wouldn't see them as the problem, even if I didn't do it that way myself.
it is not a fight at all.
because there is no fight.
those with logic, common sense, reasoning, balance, and critical thinking skills are able to grasp that. with ease.
while those who have been indoctrinated to see "fight" only see "fight." they are unable to integrate and understand and acknowledge a variety of elements and aspects; and the relationship between them. in life. in humankind. and within the individual.
clearly those indoctrinated in that way struggle with the concept that there is no fight. they have painted themselves into a corner by clinging to that indoctrination which they have been (in the parlance of the opening post) spoonfed. the "fight" mentality of "faith vs scientific method" characterizes a narrow mind.
yes and no again tzaph.
You tend to us generalizations that sound/are very sound. And on the surface very reliable. Its when we apply your positions to and actual position that reliability starts to slip.
In this thread, I have no trouble with how you presented it. "indoctrination" is one of the weaker flanking moves in the fight against religion. I am just not a "war by attrition" type thinker so I avoid it.
You may be right there and I see the science -skeptical (preferring Faith) mindset very peculiar. Those who are able to reconcile (or compartmentalise, perhaps) faith and science...I wouldn't see them as the problem, even if I didn't do it that way myself.
It's sad that so many people are enjoying the fruits of God while denying His very existence.
It's sad that so many people are enjoying the fruits of God while denying His very existence.
All hail Mbombo.
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