Is raising children in a particular faith indoctrination? (different, according, purpose)
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What is it about your view/posts that causes at least one certain poster to act as though you are leading them by their nose?
The animosity is palpable.
I'm not sure if you mean me, but if you do...
I have no problem with almost any religious viewpoint that a person has.
I have a problem when people state a religious viewpoint as fact. I have my own religious beliefs, and I never state them as fact.
Not knowing the difference between faith and fact is a serious problem, and I think it harms the religion, as well.
It's really a fatuous, navel-gazing idea, nothing more than a fig leaf to hide your hostility to religious faith. As if I'm supposed to put my own spiritual life on hold for eighteen years to fulfill your whack notion of parenting right and wrong.
Shucks, while we're at it, let's just examine everything that parents have traditionally taught their children.
Good manners? Why, that's nothing than an artificial, classist construction, a yoke that we put around the necks of our children in order to pull society's plow.
Eat a proper meal? Why, children know better what food is good for them better than the parents.
Go to bed at the appointed hour? Why, that shackles their creativity and sense of autonomy.
Do one's chores and do them well? That is a terrible suggestion, because it could imply that their worth is only as good as the work they do. And besides, shouldn't society just pay us?
Good grades in school? Oh, sure. As if most of this is even remotely germane to what the child will need to know growing up. I mean, who really uses quadratic equations in real life or needs to rattle off the countries of Latin America?
Nope. My kids were hauled to church every Sunday. And were active in church life, attended church camp, and participated in outreach projects. Today? One is pretty devout, one is atheist, and one just hasn't formed an opinion. None of them were worse for the experience however.
That's well argued and a valid point. There is a real value in providing education and a problem about how much pressure should there be on kids to lean (or do) anything they are not inclined to do. However, you hint at a problem, of the teaching going to waste anyway. I have seen a young lad who was as nice as you you could wish and after year or two in upper school, was a sullen thug.
There's also the question of forcing a kid to learn something that will be of value to them later on, even when they don't want to. A difficult one.
However, I suspect that isn't the real issue here. It isn't whether kids should be taught anything - society will not work if we don't - but What we should teach them. Indoctrination implies (in the sense of the topic) teaching kids things that are not true; cult -stuff in fact. It isn't a protest that kids should not be able to opt out of being taught the world is round because they would rather play ball, but of being taught at home that it is flat.
I have no problem with almost any religious viewpoint that a person has.
I have a problem when people state a religious viewpoint as fact. I have my own religious beliefs, and I never state them as fact.
Not knowing the difference between faith and fact is a serious problem, and I think it harms the religion, as well.
I was addressing Tzaph and wondering how and why she has been placed in some type of Moma Bird Guru position whereas almost every post she post draws someone who feels obligated to her belief system.
I was addressing Tzaph and wondering how and why she has been placed in some type of Moma Bird Guru position whereas almost every post she post draws someone who feels obligated to her belief system.
It's really a fatuous, navel-gazing idea, nothing more than a fig leaf to hide your hostility to religious faith. As if I'm supposed to put my own spiritual life on hold for eighteen years to fulfill your whack notion of parenting right and wrong.
Shucks, while we're at it, let's just examine everything that parents have traditionally taught their children.
Good manners? Why, that's nothing than an artificial, classist construction, a yoke that we put around the necks of our children in order to pull society's plow.
Eat a proper meal? Why, children know better what food is good for them better than the parents.
Go to bed at the appointed hour? Why, that shackles their creativity and sense of autonomy.
Do one's chores and do them well? That is a terrible suggestion, because it could imply that their worth is only as good as the work they do. And besides, shouldn't society just pay us?
Good grades in school? Oh, sure. As if most of this is even remotely germane to what the child will need to know growing up. I mean, who really uses quadratic equations in real life or needs to rattle off the countries of Latin America?
Nope. My kids were hauled to church every Sunday. And were active in church life, attended church camp, and participated in outreach projects. Today? One is pretty devout, one is atheist, and one just hasn't formed an opinion. None of them were worse for the experience however.
Well, you TRIED to indoctrinate them. "Hauled to church" is not exactly teaching HOW to think, but WHAT to think. That's indoctrination. I'm glad to see that it appears two at least have decided reason over faith.
Well, you TRIED to indoctrinate them. "Hauled to church" is not exactly teaching HOW to think, but WHAT to think. That's indoctrination. I'm glad to see that it appears two at least have decided reason over faith.
I haul mine to school. I better ease up on that ...
I haul mine to school. I better ease up on that ...
Thankfully, school is exactly where children are taught HOW to think. Except those religious schools. Like Madrassas and Christian ones. Those are set up to indoctrinate.
Thankfully, school is exactly where children are taught HOW to think. Except those religious schools. Like Madrassas and Christian ones. Those are set up to indoctrinate.
Ah, so it bad parents more than religion? good parents ... no indoctrination?
Have you been in some public schools lately? Our schools in philly are failing due to indoctrination. Many people choose to send their kids to believing schools.
Ah, so it bad parents more than religion? good parents ... no indoctrination?
Have you been in some public schools lately? Our schools in philly are failing due to indoctrination. Many people choose to send their kids to believing schools.
My daughter is a teacher, my sister is a teacher, and my ex-GF was a teacher. I think I have some insight of what happens in the classroom.
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