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After being pulled up short on the other thread...you are trying to set me up to get jammed here too, maybe even worse...while you know mensa's trigger finger might be itchy.
That's low-down...but I'm not a sucker.
That's rich. I respond to your post, following up on a statement YOU made, and I am somehow the one setting YOU up? You set your own self up, old chum.
The delusion must be hip-deep where you live.
I was correct when I predicted "blow hard", and you didn't fail to come through on it.
That's rich. I respond to your post, following up on a statement YOU made, and I am somehow the one setting YOU up? You set your own self up, old chum. The delusion must be hip-deep where you live.
I made a statement here that I believe was "within bounds".
But, now, your response requests me to follow with greater detail...that you know would get me jammed up, like in the other thread...you even noted the post #.
The question applies to any supernatural god/God (singular or plural), worshiped under any religion or any type of non religion. It's also obviously directed towards theists. Non theists are welcome to comment on the theist replies. To all people ..... please don't abuse or denigrate anyone.
In my opinion, if you "know" a god exists that means you don't have "faith and belief" a god exists. Why? Because you "know". For example, I don't have belief and faith that planet Earth exists, I know it exists.
In my opinion, if you have "belief and faith" a god exists then that means you don't "know". Why? Because faith and belief are required because you don't "know". For example, I have faith and belief that physical aliens exist, but I don't know they exist.
So theists, which do you have ..... a "belief" that a god exists or do you "know" a god exists?
Also, if you say you "know" a god exists, will you admit you don't have "belief and faith" that a god exists?
Remember, saying "I believe I know god exists" or "I know I believe god exists" are not proper answers (and you know it).
Reverse the question.
Do you KNOW that God does NOT exist, or do you have a believe that God does NOT exist?
This should help you find the answer to your own OP.
No...but it proves my point that you cannot make valid absolute statements.
Like, "X exists, no faith required."
And...since nothing is "for sure", all you have is nothing but "Faith and Belief"...it's all anyone has ever had.
It also makes all demands for "proof" and "objective evidence & facts" bogus...because it's all potentially invalid.
The best you can do is give your opinion of where something falls on the Probability Scale. Like I've always said.
I made a statement here that I believe was "within bounds".
But, now, your response requests me to follow with greater detail...that you know would get me jammed up, like in the other thread...you even noted the post #.
Reverse the question.
Do you KNOW that God does NOT exist, or do you have a believe that God does NOT exist?
This should help you find the answer to your own OP.
This topic is not about "me".
Please understand, I did not start this topic in order to provide "my" answers to the topic. As stated in my opening post, I am seeking the views of THEISTS and also the reactions of non theists to those theistic responses.
According to one scientist (who is so top he does not even have a Wikipedia page), who basically relies on the principle of indifference. And if you start with 50/50 odds (a trilemma is actually 33%) and add no other data, you will remain with a 50/50, which equates to we do not know one way or the other and we have no other data to move the odds.
Stronger than paranoia... Drugs, delusions or both.
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