Shooting at an Elementary School Just Outside of San Antonio (Uvalde: credit, home)

[Azure110]

Originally Posted by atler8

See the details of the recent shooting in Buffalo to find the similar set of firepower & body armor circumstances.

The Buffalo shooting reports, (assuming he read about it) probably made him aware of the value of wearing body armor.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Azure110

The Buffalo shooting reports, (assuming he read about it) probably made him aware of the value of wearing body armor.

Follow-on news reports would indicate that he had a carrier, but NO plates in it. From what I'm reading, he shot his grandmother (what dirtbag would do THAT), then left the scene. It would APPEAR that the PD was in pursuit of him when he wrecked, then made his way into the school despite on-site LEO efforts to stop him.

[Azure110]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

Follow-on news reports would indicate that he had a carrier, but NO plates in it. From what I'm reading, he shot his grandmother (what dirtbag would do THAT), then left the scene. It would APPEAR that the PD was in pursuit of him when he wrecked, then made his way into the school despite on-site LEO efforts to stop him.

I do feel that some of the local LEO in Uvalde are going to catch some heat for the outcome. I mean you can't always prevent the bad actions of people but I do feel it could have been stopped before so many children and teachers died. (but then I wasn't there so I am just going off media reports and videos)....

[MenardMQ]

Originally Posted by atler8

I would have hoped so also!

As of this morning, the narrative that explains why the Uvalde Police Department recent shooter drills did not make the difference early on is explained as:

1. It appears that the school security officer and the local police who first arrived on the scene were all OUTGUNNED in terms of the perpetrator's firepower.

2. In addition, the perp outfoxed all of the early on response via the heavy & protective body armor he wore.
It took the later arrival of a tactical unit to take him down.

And that folks, is the sad set of facts as to how and why it came down that way.

See the details of the recent shooting in Buffalo to find the similar set of firepower & body armor circumstances.

Somewhat agreed here with some clarifications.

Anyone with 10 minutes of training with an AR style weapon is going to outgun 3 trained police officers armed with handguns. It's just a simple tactical reality.

The shooter had to be taken out by a BORTAC unit that just happened to be in the area. They were the only ones that had the firepower and manpower necessary to take out an AR armed barricaded individual in a classroom. An SRO in these types of situations is simply security theater.

Note that he was not wearing body armor - he simply had a tactical vest that was used to hold ammo for his weapon. He was carrying 300+ rounds of ammo.

The simply reality is we've tried nothing as a society, and we're all out of ideas.

[Lodestar 77]

My idea is to take some of that MULTI BILLION DOLLARS that we send to other countries, even "just" 1 Billion dollars, and outfit every school , NOT including colleges, with current, high-end security. Our population needs to feel our kids are safe when at school. This is being PRO-ACTIVE.

[Remington Steel]

Originally Posted by Lodestar 77

My idea is to take some of that MULTI BILLION DOLLARS that we send to other countries, even "just" 1 Billion dollars, and outfit every school , NOT including colleges, with current, high-end security. Our population needs to feel our kids are safe when at school. This is being PRO-ACTIVE.

I will use the excuse that I heard on numerous occasions during my 20 year military background. "That is a different pot of money"...smh Yeah, I know that excuse used to **** me off.

[elnina]

Originally Posted by rrbcfy

Somewhat agreed here with some clarifications.

Anyone with 10 minutes of training with an AR style weapon is going to outgun 3 trained police officers armed with handguns. It's just a simple tactical reality.

The shooter had to be taken out by a BORTAC unit that just happened to be in the area. They were the only ones that had the firepower and manpower necessary to take out an AR armed barricaded individual in a classroom. An SRO in these types of situations is simply security theater.

Note that he was not wearing body armor - he simply had a tactical vest that was used to hold ammo for his weapon. He was carrying 300+ rounds of ammo.

The simply reality is we've tried nothing as a society, and we're all out of ideas.

I thought he was taken out by a single Border Patrol officer.

One Border Patrol agent who was working nearby when the shooting began rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman, who was behind a barricade.

[malcorub16]

The way I am reading the story, the perp didn't set out to specifically to kill Elementary school kids, that's just where he happened to crash his truck in front of as after shooting his grandmother. There apparently were two officers at the scene either already or arriving almost immediately... whom he shot before barricading himself in a classroom.

All of the students and teachers were reportedly in a single classroom which makes it even more fkn horrifying as they had nowhere to run.

[Praline]

IMO the only way these shootings and easy access to guns will be taken seriously if it happens to the children or families of the wealthy 1-2% of this country. The politicians are spouting the standard rhetoric firmly backed the powerful gun lobby in this country, and nothing real or meaningful actually will be done to change things.

[rynetwo]

Another useless thread on CD so some key board warriors can feel good they said something.

Where there is a will there is way. Once people get that through their thick skulls you will understand. We cannot take back that there are 400 million guns here, but since they are stop proposing asinine ideas.

He was mad at his grandma and decided to kill everyone in one classroom. Not sure how you "solve" for that.