Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem to protest racial discrimination (San Diego: house, salary)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by aslowdodge

I understand what he is thinking, but that is not the way or venue do it at. I was really hoping he could come back, but he is making it hard for anyone to root for him

and he isn't doing anything to set a positive example for our youth; he is showing them more how to protest than how to respect our country, even if it isn't perfect. What a good way to ruin a career and end up trying to find a new one. He already had problems, now it is unlikely he will be with the team much longer.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Oh I don't know. I fought in a war for Uncle Sam. Vietnam. It didn't protect anyone's freedom. And protesters raising awareness of that in excellent exercise of conscience were condemned just as you condemn Kaepernick. More protest should have been raised when GWB conned the nation into sending 4,000 more Americans, and a couple hundred thousand Iraqi's, to their deaths on another BS tip.

Conscientious expression and protest is an honored tradition of our democratic nation that helps bring true direction to our moral compass. Blind allegiance to a piece of cloth is nothing more than cheap, lazy jingoism. Colin's act, consider it right or wrong on the issue he protests, is intended to challenge our nation to live up to its ideals - and therefore well within the bounds of patriotism.

If you want to consider "disgraceful" acts, consider condemnation of free expression of social conscience.

Give me a break: you fought in Nam, so did my brother and many of my friends. Many lost their lives, I don't see their families sitting on the butts when the anthem is being sung or the pledge being said.

No one is saying out country is perfect, but there is still that word "respect" Kids look up to athletes, showing disrespect for our flag is sending the wrong message. There are other ways to fight for what one believes in. And yes, we should all be proud of our country, you tell us one other country that is better!! Maybe you would rather live there?

Would you stand up and respect your family, even if you don't approve of all they have done?

I have been married 58 years today; I would stand up for my husband anytime and he for me, but we are not perfect. It is the same with our country: As the song goes, "I am proud to be an American"

Maybe spoiled brat is pissed because his career isn't going anywhere right now, so he will get the spotlight one way or the other. Has that dawned on you?

[sourdough]

I just read thur the mentioned "other KC thread"...
https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...onths-ago.html
I have been wondering if his on field QB problems were just the lack of understanding the game. Now I really believe he has a weak mind.

[hitman619]

As Raider fan it brings me great joy watching The 49ers organization crumble.
I Personally think that this a publicity Stunt. Colin Kaepernick, like Jim Harbaugh wants out of this backwards Organization.
Man!
I knew City Data had some racist posters but ,talking about the guys ethnicity and how he was raised by white parents has nothing to do with this thread. Just because he was raised by white parents doesn't mean he hasn't seen or been a part of injustice.
White or black, his famliy not have his beliefs but Love and supports him anyway

[TUMF]

Here's my thoughts and my opinion on Colin Kaepernick's refusal to stand for the National Anthem:
I will not watch one single 49ers game.
I will not buy any item related to the 49ers.
I will not visit San Francisco anytime soon.


He has every right to do whatever he wants to display whatever it is he wishes to display.
This is America: Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
If he's so upset about social injustices, may I suggest he find another country to become a citizen of and he won't have to worry about this one.
I will not give him one minute of my time as we obviously have no patriotic issues in common.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Give me a break: you fought in Nam, so did my brother and many of my friends. Many lost their lives, I don't see their families sitting on the butts when the anthem is being sung or the pledge being said.

No one is saying out country is perfect, but there is still that word "respect" Kids look up to athletes, showing disrespect for our flag is sending the wrong message. There are other ways to fight for what one believes in. And yes, we should all be proud of our country, you tell us one other country that is better!! Maybe you would rather live there?

Would you stand up and respect your family, even if you don't approve of all they have done?

I have been married 58 years today; I would stand up for my husband anytime and he for me, but we are not perfect. It is the same with our country: As the song goes, "I am proud to be an American"

Maybe spoiled brat is pissed because his career isn't going anywhere right now, so he will get the spotlight one way or the other. Has that dawned on you?

Oh hi there, Nita ... lecturing me again I see. Now my turn.

No, I won't give you a break.

I'll respond one more time to this controversy, this time adding the point that this issue is not about offending the men and women serving in our military. It is about the precepts of our democratic nation. That this protest might offend some military service personnel is only one component of a larger picture. My previous comment that you quoted, noting that I was in a war and am not offended by Kaepernick, was in response to a specific comment in that regard.

Now then, happy anniversary.

And a timely question for you: if you caught your husband cheating on you in violation of your vows - or, say, disrespecting your relationship by being verbally (let alone physically) abusive, would you draw a line and confront him with any ultimatums about his behavior? If so, would you consider your confrontation disrespectful - or out of line? Or, conversely, would it in your mind be entirely respectfully appropriate to call him on his failure while offering him a chance to improve / reprove the vows of the relationship - while refusing to accept his failure until he turns things around?

Do I think there are other countries better or even equal to the U.S.? Sure. I can think of several right off top of my head that are equal or possibly an improvement. Why don't I move there? Because recognizing qualities in others doesn't mean I don't value where I am and what I have as well. I love my country just fine. But I am not blind to illusions of 'exceptionalism'.

I am burdened with the weighty karma of having contributed to a lot of unjust death and destruction at the request of my country. We are, like all nations, flawed. I can live with my karmic burden as long as I stand for never accepting its repetition without protest. Protest and civil disobedience are the tools available to the electorate of a democratic republic. They should be used according to individual good conscience.

And finally, yes, it has occurred to me that Kaepernick may be using this protest as a clever ploy. If so, it's pretty shrewd of him or his agent. And he should be ashamed to do so. But it doesn't change the truth of the social failure it highlights. In my view, his protest is as worthy in public issue as any.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by sourdough

I just read thur the mentioned "other KC thread"...
https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...onths-ago.html
I have been wondering if his on field QB problems were just the lack of understanding the game. Now I really believe he has a weak mind.

Are you suggesting that Islam is at the root of his protest? Are you suggesting that anyone who converts to Islam has a weak mind?

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by loveautumn

It's apparent that CK is going to continue speaking out, which is his right but I think he shoulddo it elsewhere other than the locker room. Imo, he shouldn't be doing in his workplace and this is going to become a huge distraction and then management will probably have to get involved. I think he should hold press conferences Away from the Levi facility.

Actually, the word is that his teammates have been pretty supportive.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Oh hi there, Nita ... lecturing me again I see. Now my turn.

No, I won't give you a break.

I'll respond one more time to this controversy, this time adding the point that this issue is not about offending the men and women serving in our military. It is about the precepts of our democratic nation. That this protest might offend some military service personnel is only one component of a larger picture. My previous comment that you quoted, noting that I was in a war and am not offended by Kaepernick, was in response to a specific comment in that regard.

Now then, happy anniversary.

And a timely question for you: if you caught your husband cheating on you in violation of your vows - or, say, disrespecting your relationship by being verbally (let alone physically) abusive, would you draw a line and confront him with any ultimatums about his behavior? If so, would you consider your confrontation disrespectful - or out of line? Or, conversely, would it in your mind be entirely respectfully appropriate to call him on his failure while offering him a chance to improve / reprove the vows of the relationship - while refusing to accept his failure until he turns things around?

Do I think there are other countries better or even equal to the U.S.? Sure. I can think of several right off top of my head that are equal or possibly an improvement. Why don't I move there? Because recognizing qualities in others doesn't mean I don't value where I am and what I have as well. I love my country just fine. But I am not blind to illusions of 'exceptionalism'.

I am burdened with the weighty karma of having contributed to a lot of unjust death and destruction at the request of my country. We are, like all nations, flawed. I can live with my karmic burden as long as I stand for never accepting its repetition without protest. Protest and civil disobedience are the tools available to the electorate of a democratic republic. They should be used according to individual good conscience.

And finally, yes, it has occurred to me that Kaepernick may be using this protest as a clever ploy. If so, it's pretty shrewd of him or his agent. And he should be ashamed to do so. But it doesn't change the truth of the social failure it highlights. In my view, his protest is as worthy in public issue as any.

Well said.

Here's another view from a sportswriter at the Mercury News who answers those who thinks what Kap does is to disrespect vets: what are you doing for the veterans, or is it just posturing?

49ers' Colin Kaepernick sat during national anthem and sparked national debate; what's your contribution? - Mercury News

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Are you suggesting that Islam is at the root of his protest? Are you suggesting that anyone who converts to Islam has a weak mind?

What does my believing he has a weak mind have to do Islam.
"Islam is at the root of his protest" and "anyone who converts to Islam has a weak mind" are your words and thoughts, not mine. What i posted is below......

Originally Posted by sourdough

I just read thur the mentioned "other KC thread"...
I have been wondering if his on field QB problems were just the lack of understanding the game. Now I really believe he has a weak mind.