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Old 09-06-2017, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Western MN
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That too has been debated.

BTW, a missile is a projectile with a rocket engine. That's why the V-1 is not a missile.
WTH does a V1 have to do with anything here?
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:02 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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That too has been debated.

BTW, a missile is a projectile with a rocket engine. That's why the V-1 is not a missile.
Debate it all you want.
Some people still think socialism is a good form of government,
And that guns cause crime.
Doesn't change the facts.

In military parlance a missile must have have a guidance system,
and does not require a rocket. That is why the ALCM is a missile.

Now that we have clearly muddied the waters (see thread title): the most likely nuclear attack I am going to have to be concerned about surviving, is someone driving a tractor trailer loaded with a nuclear device into a facility down the road from me and detonating it. (I live a half dozen miles from a tertiary target, so it isn't likely, but not impossible, so I actually 'war gamed' the scenario last spring.)

My plan is to bug out, but my concern is that the only people
who would be here for the month after the attack are looters.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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In answer to the question - HOW to prepare for a nuclear attack - create a future that has no need of it.

One solution : space colonization ASAP

★ World peace needs space colonization needs world peace. (War is a waste of resources that could be better used for space colonization)
★ Geometric expansion of humanity cannot continue if limited to the finite resources of Earth
★ Money is not prosperity nor real, but an abstraction for reality. Prosperity is based on prodigious production, equitable trade, and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. Achieving space colonization is not constrained by money, but by the aggregate surplus goods and services available to be diverted to that goal.
★ Most practical means to colonize the solar system is by constructing immense autonomous self reliant spinning habitats and vivariums, using abundant resources already in outer space (asteroids, comets, moons, etc).
★ Most efficient means to construct the infrastructure is to use autonomous robot factories (“Queen ants”) which are seeded upon a multitude of celestial bodies. Each “queen” builds tools, that build the bigger tools, that build the shells, hulls, tanks, and habitats necessary for space colonization.
★ Once completed, giant colonies can “surf gravity” via the Interplanetary Transport Network, to Earth’s L4 or L5, where they would be crewed, loaded with embryos, zygotes, and seeds, and commissioned. Then each can be redirected to establish orbits, around the sun, cycling between planets, around moons, or anywhere that suits the crew members.
★ Each colony can construct and establish human habitats and vivariums with varied climates to provide a suitable environment for their lifestock.
★ Once the colony growth rate is faster than the human population growth rate, humanity is freed from the limitations imposed by a terrestrial lifestyle. By expanding into the solar system, more abundant life can exist.
★ Thus we fulfill the destiny and meaning of life - to make more life, and more habitats for that abundance of life.

No need for nuclear war to attack nor defend against attack.
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Old 09-07-2017, 02:39 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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One solution : space colonization ASAP
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ASAP? Well you better go pay a visit to Dr. Elbert Wonmug, because you
are going to have to start working on your project before 1917.
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Mattis Declares US Ready To Strike North Korea
Most of my career was on FBM submarines. Though I have been retired for 16 years, I do have a professional background in nuclear warfare strategy and targeting.

It only takes a few minutes to change target packages. Once that change has been completed, the new sets of targets are 'locked in'.

The US nuclear deterrence forces have 'been ready' for decades. This is not a new thing that suddenly happened this month.
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:36 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Most of my career was on FBM submarines. Though I have been retired for 16 years, I do have a professional background in nuclear warfare strategy and targeting.

It only takes a few minutes to change target packages. Once that change has been completed, the new sets of targets are 'locked in'.

The US nuclear deterrence forces have 'been ready' for decades. This is not a new thing that suddenly happened this month.
Some of my friends and I were wargaming the idea of taking out the Crazy Fat Kid with a nuclear strike while he is watching one of his parades.

What could we use as a reasonable minimum distance and time for launch to impact for a SLBM?
(Just for a few old guys wargaming, nothing serious.)
("Just some guys playing cards")
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:44 PM
 
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Reports emerged this week suggesting North Korea may have begun moving an intercontinental ballistic missile toward its west coast in possible preparation for yet another missile test — or perhaps even an actual strike against South Korea, the United States or any one of its many other enemies.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpTi-qEwghI
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Some of my friends and I were wargaming the idea of taking out the Crazy Fat Kid with a nuclear strike while he is watching one of his parades.

What could we use as a reasonable minimum distance and time for launch to impact for a SLBM?
(Just for a few old guys wargaming, nothing serious.)
("Just some guys playing cards")
Even during one of their parades, as soon as radar detects incoming MRVs their sirens will sound and everyone will scurry into bomb shelters. To 'take-out' the leader would require targeting civilian bomb shelters.

In a land that is well known for being honeycombed with bomb shelters, it seems like you had better be good at playing roulette if you think you can hit the right one.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:26 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Even during one of their parades, as soon as radar detects incoming MRVs their sirens will sound and everyone will scurry into bomb shelters. To 'take-out' the leader would require targeting civilian bomb shelters.

In a land that is well known for being honeycombed with bomb shelters, it seems like you had better be good at playing roulette if you think you can hit the right one.
We are not doves.

Our plan was to take out the entire city and surrounding area.
We were just wondering how wide that area would have to be.

Figure he can move about 2 miles a minute by helicopter (average,
to include take off and landing) to get a basic radius that we need
to turn to glass and dust.

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It's all over and I'm standing pretty
In this dust that was a city
If I could find a souvenir
Just to prove the world was here
And here is a red balloon
I think of you, and let it go

Nena - 99 Red Balloons Lyrics | MetroLyrics
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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We are not doves.

Our plan was to take out the entire city and surrounding area.
We were just wondering how wide that area would have to be.

Figure he can move about 2 miles a minute by helicopter (average, to include take off and landing) to get a basic radius that we need to turn to glass and dust.
So you would assume that he will avoid going to a shelter? If he stays on the surface it does make hitting him a lot easier.

Low altitude detonations can cover a large area. Many of our payloads were designed for cracking hard targets. Put one on a shelter to crack it and a second payload in the same spot hoping to kill what is inside.
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