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Old 01-29-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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I have been reading a lot about Trump's ban of various Muslim countries. Apparently it applies to people in transit. For instance a UK woman was traveling from Costa Rica (where she was on vacation) to London via NYC and because she has dual citizenship with a banned country they denied her transit visa.

I was thinking that with this, perhaps Toronto International Airport could capitalize on this and take away a lot of Newark/JFK/Logan/Ohare/Atlanta/Miami's international flights. There are many transit flights that go through those east coast hubs on the way to countries south of the border or the Caribbean.

This may be a chance for Toronto to become the premier hub in North America if they play their cards right.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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I have been reading a lot about Trump's ban of various Muslim countries. Apparently it applies to people in transit. For instance a UK woman was traveling from Costa Rica (where she was on vacation) to London via NYC and because she has dual citizenship with a banned country they denied her transit visa.

I was thinking that with this, perhaps Toronto International Airport could capitalize on this and take away a lot of Newark/JFK/Logan/Ohare/Atlanta/Miami's international flights. There are many transit flights that go through those east coast hubs on the way to countries south of the border or the Caribbean.

This may be a chance for Toronto to become the premier hub in North America if they play their cards right.
The overall effect should be small, but perhaps significant. My understanding is that Pearson is already having some trouble with capacity so becoming a much bigger airport may be difficult. If Trudeau Airport in Montreal were clever they'd seize the opportunity. Pearson should see a benefit, but can only grow so big without major new investment or land acquisition.
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Old 01-29-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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I have been reading a lot about Trump's ban of various Muslim countries. Apparently it applies to people in transit. For instance a UK woman was traveling from Costa Rica (where she was on vacation) to London via NYC and because she has dual citizenship with a banned country they denied her transit visa.

I was thinking that with this, perhaps Toronto International Airport could capitalize on this and take away a lot of Newark/JFK/Logan/Ohare/Atlanta/Miami's international flights. There are many transit flights that go through those east coast hubs on the way to countries south of the border or the Caribbean.

This may be a chance for Toronto to become the premier hub in North America if they play their cards right.
I don't think there will be any effect. 99.9% of the people from 7 Muslim countries who have flights to USA don't transit to any other location. And for those few who need to fly to Europe from South America / Caribbean, there are many alternatives, including direct flights.
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Old 01-29-2017, 03:03 PM
 
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I have been reading a lot about Trump's ban of various Muslim countries. Apparently it applies to people in transit. For instance a UK woman was traveling from Costa Rica (where she was on vacation) to London via NYC and because she has dual citizenship with a banned country they denied her transit visa.

I was thinking that with this, perhaps Toronto International Airport could capitalize on this and take away a lot of Newark/JFK/Logan/Ohare/Atlanta/Miami's international flights. There are many transit flights that go through those east coast hubs on the way to countries south of the border or the Caribbean.

This may be a chance for Toronto to become the premier hub in North America if they play their cards right.

Like someone once said here about a similar topic: it would be like hosting a wedding reception at your 2bedroom plus den condo ....
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Old 01-29-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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The underwear bomber came from Nigeria via Netherlands. I think he was even on a no fly list. The Dutch security did not intercept him. After he was caught, I think the screening ramped up in Europe. So people avoiding the Trump ban can fly to Canada, but they might get stranded there. I don't think Trudeau wants to ***** the favors he hopes to get from the US government. They're going to know where the flyers are from, and I don't think they'll even get out of the airports.
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Old 01-30-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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I have been reading a lot about Trump's ban of various Muslim countries. Apparently it applies to people in transit. For instance a UK woman was traveling from Costa Rica (where she was on vacation) to London via NYC and because she has dual citizenship with a banned country they denied her transit visa.

I was thinking that with this, perhaps Toronto International Airport could capitalize on this and take away a lot of Newark/JFK/Logan/Ohare/Atlanta/Miami's international flights. There are many transit flights that go through those east coast hubs on the way to countries south of the border or the Caribbean.

This may be a chance for Toronto to become the premier hub in North America if they play their cards right.
Toronto Star: Pearson wants funding, federal help to turn airport into ‘mega hub’

It's actually been under way for quite a while now. Pearson Airport is currently asking for Federal funding in the sum of $50 million in order to turn Pearson into a "global mega hub" following the model of London Heathrow, Dubai, and Frankfurt. The good news is that there is already robust infrastructure in place: the popular UP Express train (downtown to airport in 20 min), along with the Eglinton West LRT extension that will connect Pearson to the future TTC Line 5 Subway/LRT.

Currently Pearson has 44 million / yr in passenger volume, and plans to double that to 80 million / yr by 2025, an aggressive but not unrealistic goal if sufficient funding is in place.

Currently, Pearson has direct flights to 180 airports worldwide, with 60% of international passengers and 40% domestic passengers. Some comparative stats as of 2014 (passenger volume increased to 44 million in 2016 compared with 38 million in 2014):



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Old 01-30-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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It seems Toronto seeks Esteem and Prestige in any vacuum it sees it can use to a advantage. Not necessarily a bad thing. But it was there to gain from Montreal's loss from the Separatist movement fears. That really started its fast rise. As I am sure if the UN move card did pass the US Congress? I'm sure Toronto would fight Montreal for it. As Montreal did actively seek it in 2008. Again as a Prestige gaining move on a Worldwide Stage it craves.

In due time Status and Prestige recognition surely will come. As time establishes a city to its accomplishments and Stature it deserves. But as a National Airport Hub. Toronto has little competition? With Vancouver, it naturally is with Asia especially China. While Toronto has the rest of the world along with Asia. The US just has too many cities to split direct links. So perhaps there is room to gain. Certianly, if a US city can loose out on something? Toronto is happy to dive in and confiscate with no apologies.

Not a bad thing in such a competitive world.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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I have been reading a lot about Trump's ban of various Muslim countries. Apparently it applies to people in transit. For instance a UK woman was traveling from Costa Rica (where she was on vacation) to London via NYC and because she has dual citizenship with a banned country they denied her transit visa.

I was thinking that with this, perhaps Toronto International Airport could capitalize on this and take away a lot of Newark/JFK/Logan/Ohare/Atlanta/Miami's international flights. There are many transit flights that go through those east coast hubs on the way to countries south of the border or the Caribbean.

This may be a chance for Toronto to become the premier hub in North America if they play their cards right.

I agree. I think it will give Toronto the opportunity to gab some of the traffic from places in the USA that are common transfer spots because no one wants to deal with the BS. If you are planning a trip for vacation or business the last thing you want to have to deal with is the risk for being turned away and missing your flight or being tragets for additional harrassment due to increased threats of racism being tolerated in the USA. Certain people who were already racist working as customs offices are likely going to feel less concerned about consequences relating to harassing certain people when entering the country. I personally would not want to deal with the drama and choose a connection through a place with less risk for interruptions.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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It seems Toronto seeks Esteem and Prestige in any vacuum it sees it can use to a advantage.

Again as a Prestige gaining move on a Worldwide Stage it craves.

In due time Status and Prestige recognition surely will come. As time establishes a city to its accomplishments and Stature it deserves. But as a National Airport Hub. Toronto has little competition? With Vancouver, it naturally is with Asia especially China. While Toronto has the rest of the world along with Asia. The US just has too many cities to split direct links. So perhaps there is room to gain. Certianly, if a US city can loose out on something? Toronto is happy to dive in and confiscate with no apologies.
Why do you think that there is always some kind of "ulterior motive" in everything Toronto and Torontonians do?

Toronto has a great airport. It wants to make it better with better facilities and better transit access. Sure it makes Toronto more "prestigious" but more than that, it's about providing our citizens with high quality service while creating more local jobs. It's simple as that.
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Old 01-30-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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Well, for 1 postings in US forums Canada and having its cities vs US cities seem to wish for Toronto to claim the crown vs. all US cities not NYC?

This thread is in direct response to President Trumps actions. So it is a "let's grab a opportunity or vacuum that can gain increases to grow stature in our airport?

I did say it is how competition works. Even as cities must always keep on their toes. Lest another steal business away. Chicago saw this in O'Hare's endless battle fights for expansions by neighbors (it's now getting some). In Atlanta stealing its crown in most passengers a year.
NYC has its 3 major region airports.

It's not a MOTIVE as in wanting to undercut other cities. No but a uniform desire for Prestige and World recognition? Still is a Big aim in what Toronto can Build and achieve. Just some still see its premature to claim all Yet. Especially vs. Cetian cities?

Toronto has huge growth fast and much started in Montreal's loss? Of not for the Separatist Movement of Quebec, back in a day. Montreal might/probably be much more where Toronto is today?

In other words? It's all happened pretty fast. With few obstacles and major blows or a bubble burst?

But many Torontonians and Canadians? See that means nothing. Just look at us NOW attitude.

I'm not bashing but you inferred my motive? So I tried to respond in my opinion.
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