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Old 10-31-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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I actually spent a few hours last night reading up on the case.


Frankly, I'm truly blown away by that. At our institution, the seal really is kept closely guarded. Our seal is also an old fashioned plated punch plate that is raised on paper. It weighs a good 10 pounds so it can't just walk away. I know not all school use raised seals. IMO, something like that makes it easier to duplicate a seal.


Of course, I don't know him nor have worked I with him. Why would I? I'm employed in a school he did not attend (medical school) nor did he come thru our residency program. Besides, I was in grammar school at the time he was enrolled in his pursuit of higher ed.

Regarding licensure: as you're aware some states don't license physicians until they've completed their residency. Not sure what NYS policy was back in the late 80s. Today, they are granted limited licensure before completion and successful USMLE board scores.

Clearly, he's pretty prolific in his ability to pass documentation as authentic. Again, it blows me away. I can't fathom the thread weaving it takes to create and falsify educational history.

I'm not disputing his lack of training. However, the board certification process allows one to sit for the test that does not have residency training specific to EM. Until they change their guidelines, that's how it it.

Personally, I've never met a doctor that introduces themselves by specialty. But again, I don't work in a clinical area- purely academic. Most have introduced themselves to me by first name/last name. Rarely do they introduce themselves as "Dr." and never has one said, "I'm Dr. X, Neurosurgeon". But again, I'm in the academic side of medicine so most introductions go, "I'm First Name-Last Name, Associate Dean of such and such" or "Director of such and such".

When I've seen doctors as a patient- I know what kind of dr. they are. If I'm in the ER, I'm pretty sure the doc treating me works in EM unless they've brought a specialist down to see me. IN the office setting I'm aware whether I'm seeing a Internist, Cardiologist, etc.

So you're well versed in how much a pain in the butt it is!

And to be nitpicky and technical- he was a physician and lawyer. Or rather, presented himself as such and was licensed as so.



I have to say the detail you pour into your posts makes me feel as if you personally know this man or someone who was "wronged" by him.

That being said, I think the man is dead guilty and a sociopath.
Excellent post. I know those seals are unbelievable. Only a sociopath could think of how to do something like that.

I've worked in Academic Medicine too. I have yet to encounter any other person who introduces him/herself as MacNeill did.

Yes, this trial is EXTREMELY PERSONAL to me. Please read my original post starting this thread. I've also removed posts or not written things I know to protect others.

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Old 10-31-2013, 10:33 AM
 
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Her testifying was the tape since the defense didn't ask to cross exam her she didn't have to sit in the witness stand.

HLN is a joke with their coverage but otherwise you have to watch online.

Beth Karas pointed out a live coverage internet website that I used one day but I rather tape and fast forward but with HLN it is every 2 min that you have to fast forward and it is becoming so annoying that I'm almost at the point of not watching...

I did however watch nancy grace which is annoying too but she showed some high lights which actually where I saw more of the case.

HLN seems to try to become a news channel with a biased coverage on literally every subject so I can't watch them too long.
Thanks for that info.

For some reason ABC seems to covering this trial most accurately.
I can't watch.......I'm relying on News and internet updates only. This man has taken too much from people close to me.

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Old 10-31-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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Thanks for that info.

For some reason ABC seems to covering this trial most accurately.
I can't watch.......I'm relying on News and internet updates only. This man has taken too much from people close to me.

MSR
You know the people involved? I haven't read all posts...sorry.
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:57 PM
 
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You know the people involved? I haven't read all posts...sorry.
Not the family.

I know the physicians, PAs, A lot of the nursing staff at USDC where "MacNeill" "practiced."



My first post starting the thread states my connection.

This is painful for me on many levels. But I owe a voice for those who can't post/speak. Otherwise I'd continue to talk to those of us who know about his lacking abilities as a physician.

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Old 10-31-2013, 06:13 PM
 
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Not the family.

I know the physicians, PAs, A lot of the nursing staff at USDC where "MacNeill" "practiced."



My first post starting the thread states my connection.

This is painful for me on many levels. But I owe a voice for those who can't post/speak. Otherwise I'd continue to talk to those of us who know about his lacking abilities as a physician.

MSR
Wow! I saw a couple of medical people testifying and that said enough. This man should be held liable and responsible for his actions and I hope the juror will do the right thing. Many of his kids are so messed up and for a reason, very sad what this man has caused.
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Old 10-31-2013, 07:18 PM
 
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Wow! I saw a couple of medical people testifying and that said enough. This man should be held liable and responsible for his actions and I hope the juror will do the right thing. Many of his kids are so messed up and for a reason, very sad what this man has caused.
Agree...then there the patients. And competent sub-specialists he alienated, intimidated and indirectly threatened in various ways given their age and sex.

I found this link today. Both the ABC and Fox stations in Salt Lake City are streaming, along with others.

It should have been Utah Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Todd Grey. He can be a pib sometimes but ultimately is an advocate for families/survivors. Plus, he was either an Asst. ME either for Dade County or the State of FL. He's not an ME who couldn't get a job.


St. Of Utah vs. Martin MacNeill~Day 9~10/31/13~ @ 8:30AM MST - JusticeQuest

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Old 11-01-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Default Cardiologist's Testimony interesting important. Liver enzymes

I think the testimony of the cardiologist could be very important to the jury. How did he appear in court to anyone watching? Could the defense do anything to confuse or diminish his powerful testimony?

Live Updates: Pathologst testifies Michele MacNeill drowned : Crime & Courts

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Old 11-03-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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I haven't watch much on Friday and the pieces I saw on tv were not much tha I could see what way was gaining points.

The so called "experts" on tv are not very reliable to me since the ones who are defense lawyers always have the same story and will say it hasn't been proven even in the Jodi Arias case and other cases where I had the same outcome as the jurors.


I have heard people stating that he will not be found guilty due to the fact that her death was not rules a homicide but have seen that more often.

I did however hear that the 3 or 4 jail/prison snitches that will testify this upcoming week may cause for the prosecutor to get the facts in that McNeil already is a convicted felon, which is huge for the prosecution.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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I haven't watch much on Friday and the pieces I saw on tv were not much tha I could see what way was gaining points.

The so called "experts" on tv are not very reliable to me since the ones who are defense lawyers always have the same story and will say it hasn't been proven even in the Jodi Arias case and other cases where I had the same outcome as the jurors.


I have heard people stating that he will not be found guilty due to the fact that her death was not rules a homicide but have seen that more often.

I did however hear that the 3 or 4 jail/prison snitches that will testify this upcoming week may cause for the prosecutor to get the facts in that McNeil already is a convicted felon, which is huge for the prosecution.
Not only is he s convicted Felon who served years in FEDERAL Prison for his convictions.

Are these the convicts he told in prison he had killed his wife? I know almost nothing about the Prisoners who will testify, or if they aren't going to be allowed to address some issues.

I haven't had time to look. I still think the cardiologist's testimony is extremely important.

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MSR
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:20 AM
 
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Not only is he s convicted Felon who served years in FEDERAL Prison for his convictions.

Are these the convicts he told in prison he had killed his wife? I know almost nothing about the Prisoners who will testify, or if they aren't going to be allowed to address some issues.

I haven't had time to look. I still think the cardiologist's testimony is extremely important.

Thanks,

MSR
I don't know who they are but briefly heard that McNeil according to the convicts had confessed to them. If the defense will cross exam them it will open a door took why they are convicted and the prosecutor can get it in that McNeil was in there for something different than just awaiting trial for this case.

That can be huge combined with the daughters who turned on him and also 2 lovers who testified for the prosecutor even though one was a hostile witness.

The mom of gypsy was a very good witness for the prosecutor.

I think jurors might have learned that all kids were to receive 1dollar according to the will and therefore may look that they are upset due to that but combined with all testimonies it begins to show a clear image he wanted to get rid of his wife to be with Gypsy and even the sex like images texted by Gypsy and. McNeil a day after his wife died indicated they didn't care about her being dead and/or shocked about the entire odeal and moving gypsy in as the solely interviewed nanny is making that even more clear.

It is all not direct evidence but very clear evidence of a man who is not just a good husband and a bad person as the defense wants him to be looked at.

We have seen Drew. Peterson and Scott Peterson and others been convicted without all the direct evidence after cheating and lying...

Many men and women cheat but killing or having someone dead is something different, especially with all the additional evidence, makes it a clear sign something different was going on.
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