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Old 01-24-2022, 01:14 AM
 
Location: PRC
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All of this merely presents speculation as whether life could evolve on Mars one day in the distant future--of no help to a dying planet like earth that needs a ready-made inhabitable planet right this moment. If mars had water I'd say there was a chance but it's a barren rock world so no sentient life can survive there, not to mention Mars average about -81 degrees F.
No, thats what NASA tells you.

Oh dear...Now I have to post my water "evidence" from Maunder Crater to convince you. Here it is.

Three jets of 'something fluid coming out of the side of a cliff. Could be water, could be liquid of some kind. The place where it exits does not look to be eroded so it is likely there is a pipe-like structure stopping that from happening if it has been flowing for over millions of years.


The red arrow here is some kind of liquid under pressure emerging from the cliff face since you can see a natural curve as the liquid shoots out and falls down. Again it has not worn away the cliff where it emerges. Possibly more streams at cliff top - less controlled.



If you look carefully at the end of the red arrow, there is a pipe-like structure which is coming out from under the cliff top edge and leading down the cliff. I am not sure this could be a natural feature in an uninhabited world.



And... if you want it close-up and personal, then this controversial image is a water streak from the MER days when the rover went right up to it and must have examined it, surely? Anyway, there are a couple of interesting features in this image.
As you can see, the yellow arrows are the rover shadow.
The red arrows are the water streak - where water has flowed and left soil/water damp ground or mud behind.
The light blue arrow is where 'something' has stepped into this water streak AFTER the water flowed. Possibly a paw-print? implications?

NASA reference 1F131480091EFF0538P1214L0M1 - be sure to look in the shadow of the rover directly in front of it for this one as it is not immediately obvious when you first look at the image.
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Old 01-24-2022, 04:34 AM
 
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The light blue arrow is where 'something' has stepped into this water streak AFTER the water flowed. Possibly a paw-print? implications?
Paw print? Implications? You first.
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Old 01-24-2022, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I don't quite understand the rationality of your position. Isn't it really just a "hunch"? Isn't it just a feeling not based on any hard evidence, but rather a sense that there must be something out there? That your mind cannot fathom a universe so vast, is dead. The idea of nothing seems so absurd that you cannot accept it, and then ascribe rationality to what is really just your gut instinct?
No. I look at all the facts at hand and then ask: Is it possible there is life out there? Yeah. Is it probable? Looking more probable every year.

That is more than just "feeling." It's informed speculation.
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Old 01-24-2022, 05:19 AM
 
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Paw print? Implications? You first.
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Old 01-24-2022, 06:22 AM
 
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i dont mind saying that i am 100 % certain there is sentient life on mars. there does that help?
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Old 01-24-2022, 06:26 AM
 
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i dont mind saying that i am 100 % certain there is sentient life on mars.
What evidence led you to this conclusion?
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Old 01-24-2022, 06:44 AM
 
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i dont mind saying that i am 100 % certain there is sentient life on mars. there does that help?
Well, a leap from lost dog on Mars to sentient life certainly changes the discussion. Are the various space agencies conspiring to keep this secret or do they not share your certainty?
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Old 01-24-2022, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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The universe is far to big for life to not have evolved in other solar systems. Forget Mars, but there are lots and lots of planets out there. We may never know for sure though, because the universe is HUGE!
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Old 01-24-2022, 08:26 AM
 
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No, thats what NASA tells you.

Oh dear...Now I have to post my water "evidence" from Maunder Crater to convince you. Here it is.

Three jets of 'something fluid coming out of the side of a cliff. Could be water, could be liquid of some kind. The place where it exits does not look to be eroded so it is likely there is a pipe-like structure stopping that from happening if it has been flowing for over millions of years.


The red arrow here is some kind of liquid under pressure emerging from the cliff face since you can see a natural curve as the liquid shoots out and falls down. Again it has not worn away the cliff where it emerges. Possibly more streams at cliff top - less controlled.



If you look carefully at the end of the red arrow, there is a pipe-like structure which is coming out from under the cliff top edge and leading down the cliff. I am not sure this could be a natural feature in an uninhabited world.



And... if you want it close-up and personal, then this controversial image is a water streak from the MER days when the rover went right up to it and must have examined it, surely? Anyway, there are a couple of interesting features in this image.
As you can see, the yellow arrows are the rover shadow.
The red arrows are the water streak - where water has flowed and left soil/water damp ground or mud behind.
The light blue arrow is where 'something' has stepped into this water streak AFTER the water flowed. Possibly a paw-print? implications?

NASA reference 1F131480091EFF0538P1214L0M1 - be sure to look in the shadow of the rover directly in front of it for this one as it is not immediately obvious when you first look at the image.

Does anybody else see the same things in the pictures as ocpaul20? He has posted several of these pictures of Mars claiming tents, life forms coming out of the ground, and water to name a few. Personally I have not seen a single one of these things in the pictures he has posted.

ocpaul20 have you seen pictures of Mars that these items would be obvious to others besides yourself? If so could you please post them?
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:56 AM
 
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Might be wise to hold off on any sweeping predictions about the impossibility of interstellar space travel until we have more information:

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To place a man in a multi-stage rocket and project him into the controlling gravitational field of the moon where the passengers can make scientific observations, perhaps land alive, and then return to earth—all that constitutes a wild dream worthy of Jules Verne. I am bold enough to say that such a man-made voyage will never occur regardless of all future advances.
-- Lee De Forest, inventor of the vacuum tube

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That the automobile has practically reached the limit of its development is suggested by the fact that during the past year no improvements of a radical nature have been introduced.
-- Scientific American, January 2, 1909.

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No "scientific bad boy" ever will be able to blow up the world by releasing atomic energy.
-- Robert Millikan, American physicist and Nobel Prize winner, February 1930
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