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In the past you admitted that you didn't vote in 2016. You've stated that you currently float between Spain and the US. It seems to me that the leave verdict isn't convenient for you.
It seems to me that you think that, given enough trials, eventually the unclean masses will vote the way you want. I think that you've been very fortunate. Just figure out what you'll need to do instead of bemoaning the situation. Remember, you chose to not vote.
You're correct
I've also stated it doesn't make one jot of difference to my life, it doesn't
You are also correct that I've been incredibly fortunate, partly because of the EU in the first place, I've had incredible opportunities, many wouldn't have been open to me had the doors been closed the way would like, and I want the same opportunities for other people, hence my input on this debate
In the past you admitted that you didn't vote in 2016. You've stated that you currently float between Spain and the US. It seems to me that the leave verdict isn't convenient for you.
It seems to me that you think that, given enough trials, eventually the unclean masses will vote the way you want. I think that you've been very fortunate. Just figure out what you'll need to do instead of bemoaning the situation. Remember, you chose to not vote.
That poster cares only for his own situation. He has left this country to make his fortune elsewhere. Fair enough, that's his choice. But him, and others like him, should have no say in the future of these islands.
He wants another vote, because the result of the first one doesn't suit his agenda. As I said earlier,yes, but on certain terms.
Only people born and bred in the UK get a vote, black, white, or blue polka dots, doesn't matter. Just born here, and living here. The same question again, remain or leave, not a list of questions to confuse people.
Leave would win again. But this would never be allowed. The vote would be set up for remain to win. They know it, and we know it.
The politicians have better find a way to end this, once and for all, with us exiting the EU.
I've also stated it doesn't make one jot of difference to my life, it doesn't
You are also correct that I've been incredibly fortunate, partly because of the EU in the first place, I've had incredible opportunities, many wouldn't have been open to me had the doors been closed the way would like, and I want the same opportunities for other people, hence my input on this debate
Yes, we all know your agenda. Well for your benefit, and for others like you, means my island will never see the end of unlimited immigration. Not enough houses, jammed packed roads, schools struggling to cope, same with the NHS. Even water shortages down the line.
You don't care. You've got yours. Well I do care. I care for the people of this country, not for those who have left it.
That poster cares only for his own situation. He has left this country to make his fortune elsewhere. Fair enough, that's his choice. But him, and others like him, should have no say in the future of these islands.
He wants another vote, because the result of the first one doesn't suit his agenda. As I said earlier,yes, but on certain terms.
Only people born and bred in the UK get a vote, black, white, or blue polka dots, doesn't matter. Just born here, and living here. The same question again, remain or leave, not a list of questions to confuse people.
Leave would win again. But this would never be allowed. The vote would be set up for remain to win. They know it, and we know it.
The politicians have better find a way to end this, once and for all, with us exiting the EU.
If you read my post above and what I've written before you will see I'm actually debating this for others not myself.
You are no more British than I am not matter where you or I reside !
Im incredibly proud to be British and will fight for Britains best interests, even if its against my own countrymen
If you read my post above and what I've written before you will see I'm actually debating this for others not myself.
You are no more British than I am not matter where you or I reside !
Im incredibly proud to be British and will fight for Britains best interests, even if its against my own countrymen
I am not going to get involved in an argument with you. This thread is too important to be frozen. Incredibly proud to be British? Words are easy. You should have no voting rights about the future of this country. You have left it, and seem quite happy with your situation. Good luck to you I say. I'll concentrate on the future of the people who live here.
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That poster cares only for his own situation. He has left this country to make his fortune elsewhere. Fair enough, that's his choice. But him, and others like him, should have no say in the future of these islands.
He wants another vote, because the result of the first one doesn't suit his agenda. As I said earlier,yes, but on certain terms.
Only people born and bred in the UK get a vote, black, white, or blue polka dots, doesn't matter. Just born here, and living here. The same question again, remain or leave, not a list of questions to confuse people.
Leave would win again. But this would never be allowed. The vote would be set up for remain to win. They know it, and we know it.
The politicians have better find a way to end this, once and for all, with us exiting the EU.
I am not going to get involved in an argument with you. This thread is too important to be frozen. Incredibly proud to be British? Words are easy. You should have no voting rights about the future of this country. You have left it, and seem quite happy with your situation. Good luck to you I say. I'll concentrate on the future of the people who live here.
There isn't any need to argue, this forum is a great place to vent our frustrations but wont make any difference to the outcome of Brexit.
We all have our own point of view, I respect yours and have said it before I know where you live (no threat intended) and understand your position very well.
I don´t believe Brexit will alleviate any of your issues though, but do believe it would stifle people dreams and possibilities if it was allowed to go ahead.
I don´t vote in UK elections and didn´t in the referendum, if there is another vote I would be entitled to and would do so but not for me but for the younger generations.
There isn't any need to argue, this forum is a great place to vent our frustrations but wont make any difference to the outcome of Brexit.
We all have our own point of view, I respect yours and have said it before I know where you live (no threat intended) and understand your position very well.
I don´t believe Brexit will alleviate any of your issues though but do believe it would stifle people dreams and possibilities if it was allowed to go ahead.
I don´t vote in UK elections and didnt in the referendum, if there is another vote I would be entitled to and would do so.
I am heading for full rant mode, so I will take a break from this discussion. I know we cannot cope with continued unlimited immigration in these small islands. It has to be slowed down massively. I read the other day, it is starting to increase again from the EU. We cannot cope with it much longer. The pressure on housing alone is unsustainable.
Our worries have been dismissed by the EU, and remaining in it, trying to change it from within, is a joke. Whatever damage is sustained from leaving, especially without a deal, is nothing compared to continued mass immigration. Life for the ordinary people of this country is getting harder, and the benefits for the minority living in the leafy areas of especially England, cannot overrule the needs of the majority. We need to leave the EU, and let them carry on in their quest for ever more integration. We need to leave, and concentrate on rebuilding this country for the many, not the few.
I personally would prefer a PM who had the guts/balls to say the first referendum was advisory, and given the damage to business/country should it go ahead, and the way the original vote was misrepresented the country would be staying in the EU, but would be seeking changes of the EU in the areas the UK public have concerns which are the same concerns shared by all EU citizens ie immigration, over expansion, money being wasted etc etc
I totally agree a close result in a second referendum would not solve anything.
We are in total deadlock and its been made very clear that parliament will not walk away with no deal.
A solution needs finding
Farage is not it.
If the result of a second referendum will not break the deadlock why keep proposing it?
Do you understand the concept that both major parties agreed that the first referedum was binding, sure it was scheduled as advisory, but both Labour and Tories agreed that they would respect the decision, and for all the lack of progress they've spent considerable time on it.
So what do you call someone who agrees to honor something then chooses not to? That's what you want? A PM who fails to meet his commitments? What makes you think, that such a leader is always going to reject accepted commitments that you agree are not important?
You need to get ahold of yourself and get some perspective. Both leaving and staying, you need to have a government of the people by the people afterwards, the UK does not end when we leave, or if we stay. Some of your proposals might keep the notional UK in the EU, but would completely destroy the UK as a functioning country, short of having a totalitarian government.
John, when David Cameron said he would offer the people a vote on EU membership, and put it in their manifesto, did you see him saying it was only advisory?
Best to find out how these things work. By default referenda are advisory. It is when they say it is not, that it is binding. The Scots independence referendum was binding, as it was stated when it was passed.
Cameron pulled three election stunts to gain power, thinking only of himself and the Tory party being in power, not the long term health of the nation:
He promised the LibDems a PR referendum and said he would support it. The Alternative Vote was offered which is not PR. He cheated the LibDems and the nation. He won that;
The Scots referendum, which nearly backfired. He gambled on dissolving the United Kingdom for personal and party power. thinking nothing of the long term health of the nation. He won by the skin of his teeth;
He gave a referendum on EU membership to stop Tory voting pensioners drifting towards a one trick pony party called UKip. He never thought of the long term health of the nation, gambling it away. It backfired heavily.
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