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Old 05-30-2019, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Have you seen that slob Boris Johnson?
BTW he is in court to answer charges of "lying while in public office" over the Brexit referendum campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...conduct-claims

The maximum sentence is life in prison. He could be Prime Minister then found guilty. About time one was jailed to set a precedence - and the fear of the law into them - which they think they are immune from.
It's a private prosecution, there's a really long way to go before he's at any risk of going to prison.

From your article

*“The allegations which have been made are unproven accusations and I do not make any findings of fact. Having considered all the relevant factors I am satisfied that this is a proper case to issue the summons as requested for the three offences as drafted. The charges are indictable only.

“This means the proposed defendant will be required to attend this court for a preliminary hearing, and the case will then be sent to the crown court for trial. The charges can only be dealt with in the crown court.”

Judge just did her job, and clearly states the allegations are not proven, Johnson must attend a hearing, and from that if pursued would go to crown court for any trial.

It means little, I could bring a private prosecution against you, and depending on the allegations the same situation would occur.
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Old 05-30-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: London
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“The allegations which have been made are unproven accusations and I do not make any findings of fact. Having considered all the relevant factors I am satisfied that this is a proper case to issue the summons as requested for the three offences as drafted.
Talk about selective amnesia !!!!

It is going to court.
  1. The first was in a magistrates court to gain permission to take it to court. That has been accepted.
  2. A friend who is a lawyer says there is a formality that the next hearing is in the magistrates court. Who when seeing the type of case it is, will then direct it to the Crown Court as a matter course, taking a short while. A rubber stamp job.
  3. Johnson has been summonsed, so he has to turn up at the magistrates court. Not sure if he can allow his legal team to represent him at the Crown Court being absent.

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Old 05-30-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Talk about selective amnesia !!!!

It is going to court. The first was in a magistrates court to gain permission to take it to court. That has been accepted. A friend who is a lawyer says there is a formality that the next hearing is in the magistrates court. Who when seeing the type of case it is, will then direct it to the Crown Court as a matter course, taking a short while. A rubber stamp job.

Johnson has been summonsed, so he has to turn up at the magistrates court.
What selective amnesia? I'm pointing out the legalities.

Sure, you're stating one outcome of the process. There's nothing to see here, the nature of the offense requires it be heard in a crown court. Even then the outcome of the preliminary hearing determines whether

1) The case is filed to the CPS
2) The case is not filed to the CPS (or they choose not to pursue it) and can be heard as a private prosecution
Or...
3) there's insufficient evidence to file the case to a higher court.

Without the CPS pursuing the case Johnson has zero risk of a custodial sentence.

I mean the claims are quite ridiculous and relies on claims not even made by Johnson (the bus placard wasn't his bus, wasn't placed on it at his request, or anything of the sort). Further if promises made in political speeches and rally's can become legally binding, there are 600 people who are immediately open to litigation in Westminister (and possibly the Scottish, Northern Irish, and Welsh assemblies, plus local councils), and possibly some on the bench. I'll also add, there are no current injured parties, we haven't left the EU, without injury there's no case.

Here's one easy example. I could sue Jeremy Corbyn, he stated several times he supported the outcome of the Brexit referendum, and would not seek a second referendum. Well he's stated position now is counter to that, shall Brexiteers sue?
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Old 05-30-2019, 06:59 AM
 
Location: London
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The title of the thread is Is brexit the beginning of the end of the UK?

Yes. There are strong national parties in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Scotland by a whisker stayed inside the UK. The North of England do not like the South, as HMG constantly diverts infrastructure spending into the South East, making the south attractive for business, at their expense. The major Northern cities are a disgrace when compared to similar French and German cities; starved of investment, while London is a slick mega city.

The power mongers of the south east power triangle will cast off parts of the UK (southern Ireland has already gone) to remain grasping onto power & influence.

The dominoes are near set up. It needs some event to push the first one.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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The point is that it is going to court as the court judged there is a case against Johnson. Whether you or anyone else thinks there is a case or not is irrelevant, the court say there is.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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The title of the thread is Is brexit the beginning of the end of the UK?

Yes. There are strong national parties in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales. Scotland by a whisker stayed inside the UK. The North of England do not like the South, as HMG constantly diverts infrastructure spending into the South East, making the south attractive for business, at their expense. The major Northern cities are a disgrace when compared to similar French and German cities; starved of investment, while London is a slick mega city.

The power mongers of the south east power triangle will cast off parts of the UK (southern Ireland has already gone) to remain grasping onto power & influence.

The dominoes are near set up. It needs some event to push the first one.
You're deluded.
Plus,there's no such place as Southern Ireland unless you're talking about County Cork.
It's Ireland or Northern Ireland.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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The point is that it is going to court as the court judged there is a case against Johnson. Whether you or anyone else thinks there is a case or not is irrelevant, the court say there is.
There hasn't been a hearing yet. There's just a filing and Johnson was summonsed, as is completely normal.

That's it. That's the whole story. You too can do the same with allegations and enough money.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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You're deluded.
Plus,there's no such place as Southern Ireland unless you're talking about County Cork.
It's Ireland or Northern Ireland.
And you are calling me deluded!
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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There hasn't been a hearing yet. There's just a filing and Johnson was summonsed, as is completely normal.

That's it. That's the whole story. You too can do the same with allegations and enough money.
There has to be grounds for a case first. The court said there was, and now the next phase to determine if Johnson wilfully neglected to perform his duty, or "misconducted" himself. I have explained it to you.

In her ruling, District Judge Margot Coleman said:
"The applicant's case is there is ample evidence that the proposed defendant knew that the statements were false." She said there was sufficient evidence of an issue to proceed with a trial.

What is misconduct in public office? It dates back to the 13th Century
It can be brought against someone who is exercising some kind of official function - such as a civil servant, politician, or someone carrying out a public role.
Someone is guilty of the offence if it can be proven that the public official wilfully neglected to perform their duty - or "misconducts" themselves. To a degree that it amounts to an abuse of the public's trust in the office holder.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Malaga Spain & Lady Lake, Florida
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Boris Johnson did distort facts and not to benefit the country, he was on the fence right up until the moment he sniffed an opportunity for himself.

He´s always wanted to be Prime Minister to stroke his ego and would kill his Granny if he had to.

Spreading misinformation back in 2016 certainly rallied support for the leave cause and if he blatantly lied which he certainly did he should be held accountable, the country has lost billions already on this shambles and will lose a hell of a lot more before its all over.
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