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Pie wonders who is really to blame for the "depressingly predictable" election results.
I guess he is right on the money. The Labour party no longer stand for the ordinary working class voter. They spend too much time in London enjoying the cosmopolitan atmosphere, and chatting with snowflakes waving their flags outside Parliament.
The real world came out to vote last Thursday. If Labour don't learn a hard lesson from this political slaughter, it will be repeated next time, only worse.
There's three perfect examples of what he's discussing.
Donald Trump
Brexit referendum
UK General Election 2019
All three the opposition took the position that their opponents were stupid, uneducated, racist, misguided, confused. Leading to Clinton losing, Remsin losing, Corbyn losing.
Anyone want to hazard a guess what might happen if the same strategy is used a fourth time? 200-1 odds say they'll succeed.
I guess he is right on the money. The Labour party no longer stand for the ordinary working class voter. They spend too much time in London enjoying the cosmopolitan atmosphere, and chatting with snowflakes waving their flags outside Parliament.
The real world came out to vote last Thursday. If Labour don't learn a hard lesson from this political slaughter, it will be repeated next time, only worse.
Scotland used to give Labour 50+ seats. Now that that's gone there's little chance of a Labour majority unless they move back to New Labour territory and get some economically creditable policies.
The next election is Johnson's to lose though, either he delivers and will sail through or stuffs up and he'll be out.
As for Scotland, I wouldn't give them a second independence referendum. The idea behind Brexit isn't anything new, and I argue that Scots knew or should have known that this was a possibility when they voted in 2014 to remain a part of the UK.
Being able to stay in the EU was literally one of the major selling points of the campaign against Scottish independence at the 2014 referendum.
Scotland will now have independence, whether sooner or later. They will not put up with this being inflicted on them. Either Johnson will give them another referendum or there will be seriously rising anger in Scotland.
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Being able to stay in the EU was literally one of the major selling points of the campaign against Scottish independence at the 2014 referendum.
Scotland will now have independence, whether sooner or later. They will not put up with this being inflicted on them. Either Johnson will give them another referendum or there will be seriously rising anger in Scotland.
Um. . .I saw Nicola Sturgeon giving this argument after the anchor announced that the SNP had lost 3 seats which she declared was a great victory. RJ and dizzybint have called her crazy, and they are Scottish. After seeing her in action, I tend to believe them.
Johnson should give Scotland a referendum on independence and then ignore the results if he doesn’t like them and declare the referendum was only advisory.
Um. . .I saw Nicola Sturgeon giving this argument after the anchor announced that the SNP had lost 3 seats which she declared was a great victory. RJ and dizzybint have called her crazy, and they are Scottish. After seeing her in action, I tend to believe them.
Was that the Andrew Marr interview?
The one where she had no response to what she would do if the PM rejected her request for an independence referendum? Well she did, but it was a combo of "that won't happen" and "they'll acquiesce to her demands".
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Was that the Andrew Marr interview?
The one where she had no response to what she would do if the PM rejected her request for an independence referendum? Well she did, but it was a combo of "that won't happen" and "they'll acquiesce to her demands".
Not really a plan.
I honestly don't remember his name, but it was one of the broadcasts aimed at PBS coverage. I saw several people being interviewed about the results. I waited because they said that she was coming up. I've heard so much about her but wanted to form my own opinion.
He specifically said that they'd lost 3 seats, then she launched into the wonderful victory thing and my reaction was that she must be a twit and must think that her voters were dolts. She wasn't responding to his direct questions and seemed to be winging it. He'd ask a question. There would be a pregnant pause, then she'd babble a bit and he'd try again. After a while he threw it to someone else.
I honestly don't remember his name, but it was one of the broadcasts aimed at PBS coverage. I saw several people being interviewed about the results. I waited because they said that she was coming up. I've heard so much about her but wanted to form my own opinion.
He specifically said that they'd lost 3 seats, then she launched into the wonderful victory thing and my reaction was that she must be a twit and must think that her voters were dolts. She wasn't responding to his direct questions and seemed to be winging it. He'd ask a question. There would be a pregnant pause, then she'd babble a bit and he'd try again. After a while he threw it to someone else.
Not sure about losing seats, it depends what election you compare it to.
The 2015 election (the last routine one) had the SNP with 56 seats out of 59. That fell during Theresa May's mid term snap election to 35 of 59. But regained a bunch in this 2019 election to 48 of 59.
So from routine elections its lost 8 seats since the last (next routine was scheduled for 2020), but from elections total its gained 13 since last.
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