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Do you look down on fishermen? It's an honorable occupation.
It's the new left's exclusive inclusivity.
If you're group A everything that is wrong was never your fault, it was the establishment. However if you're in group B it's all your fault and self inflicted.
I don't know how some people sleep at night with the near terminal cases of cognitive dissonance they must carry around in their heads.
Says the guy who has provided no evidence whatsoever to back up his claims. At least I provided a parliamentary research paper into the VAT issue, you have just responded to that with more baseless conjecture.
Even the Daily Express, hardly the most pro-EU newspaper out there accepts that the reason the UK has few fishing quotas now is because the British holders of those quotas sold them.
As with anything, if you sell it to somebody else because you prefer to take the short term cash windfall then you can't legitimately complain later that you no longer have use of the thing you sold.
Says the guy who has provided no evidence whatsoever to back up his claims. At least I provided a parliamentary research paper into the VAT issue, you have just responded to that with more baseless conjecture.
Even the Daily Express, hardly the most pro-EU newspaper out there accepts that the reason the UK has few fishing quotas now is because the British holders of those quotas sold them.
As with anything, if you sell it to somebody else because you prefer to take the short term cash windfall then you can't legitimately complain later that you no longer have use of the thing you sold.
You evidence is an opinion piece by one guy.
It provides nothing to corroborate, nor explain if there were any valid reasons for it. For example if it costs you £2000 to take a short fishing trip (one day) but your quota will only allow you to land £1500 of fish that day, of course you would sell it, or buy someone else's, because your quota is unprofitable.
It's not as simple as you think it is. That's not surprising.
We're leaving forever,
But still it's farewell
And maybe we'll do a trade deal
But who can really tell?
I guess there is no one to blame
We're leaving foreign ground (leaving foreign ground)
Will things ever be the same again?
It's the final countdown
The final countdown
Oh
We're heading for Venus (Venus)
Because Guy Verhofstadt is a Penis (Penis)
And still we stand tall
'Cause maybe they've seen us (seen us)
And tried to punish us all, yeah
With only a year to go
And trade deals to be found (to be found)
I'm sure that we'll not miss the EU
With corruption abound.
It's the final countdown
The final countdown
The final countdown
The final countdown
Oh
The final countdown, oh
It's the final count down
The final countdown
The final countdown
The final countdown
Oh
It's the final count down
We're leaving forever
The final count down
We'll not miss her at all
It's the final countdown
It's the final countdown
Oh
It's the final countdown, yeah
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It provides nothing to corroborate, nor explain if there were any valid reasons for it. For example if it costs you £2000 to take a short fishing trip (one day) but your quota will only allow you to land £1500 of fish that day, of course you would sell it, or buy someone else's, because your quota is unprofitable.
It's not as simple as you think it is. That's not surprising.
My evidence is still infinitely more than your evidence.
You consistently try to move the goalposts of the argument, this time from not believing that quotas given to UK fishermen had been sold, to then saying there might be good reason for that once it is pointed out that they were sold. Last time your original argument was that the EU didn't allow the UK to charge no VAT on electricity, once I showed that was not true you switched argument again to 'oh well, they must have pressured for VAT to be imposed', no evidence of that provided of course.
Your arguments are never backed up with anything, just weasel words.
No, these things are not simple, indeed the Brexiteers with their simplistic mindless cries of how everything is the fault of the EU, Eurocrats and foreigners would do well to remember that.
Parts of the fishing sector itself are likely to be hurt by Brexit, not that any Brexiteer would ever acknowledge that complexity.
My evidence is still infinitely more than your evidence.
You consistently try to move the goalposts of the argument, this time from not believing that quotas given to UK fishermen had been sold, to then saying there might be good reason for that once it is pointed out that they were sold. Last time your original argument was that the EU didn't allow the UK to charge no VAT on electricity, once I showed that was not true you switched argument again to 'oh well, they must have pressured for VAT to be imposed', no evidence of that provided of course.
Your arguments are never backed up with anything, just weasel words.
No, these things are not simple, indeed the Brexiteers with their simplistic mindless cries of how everything is the fault of the EU, Eurocrats and foreigners would do well to remember that.
Parts of the fishing sector itself are likely to be hurt by Brexit, not that any Brexiteer would ever acknowledge that complexity.
Labelling 17.4 milllion people in this way is in itself simplistic.
And one of the main reasons why support for Leave never wavered from the referendum to the 2019 general election.
Abuse is never going to win an argument.
Tory plus Brexit Party plus DUP plus UKIP support at 2019 general election = 15.1m down 2.3m on leave vote 2016
Labour plus Lib Dem plus SNP plus Green plus PC plus SF plus Alliance plus SDLP support at 2019 general election = 16.6m, +0.5m on remain vote 2016.
You're assuming everyone who voted for a certain political party in the election did so because of their Remain/Leave vote which would be a grave error of understanding.
But to be fair Remain has history of not reading polls very well ...
You're assuming everyone who voted for a certain political party in the election did so because of their Remain/Leave vote which would be a grave error of understanding.
But to be fair Remain has history of not reading polls very well ...
This was pointed out at the time by those saying that a second referendum would be a better gauge of public opinion.
Unfortunately the election result is all we have to go on, the fact that it isn't an exact reflection of where people now stand on Brexit hasn't stopped Brexiteers trumpeting about how it validates their position ever since the result was announced, indeed you did that yourself just a couple of posts back.
To quote:
"support for Leave never wavered from the referendum to the 2019 general election"
And then you immediately go on to say that the general election doesn't mean anything regarding remain/leave support.
You can't have it both ways.
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