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This is why the world hates US-Americans. Cradle of entitled bunch of so and so's. That Cow needs to be brought to justice I hope Northamptonshire police leak the suspect to the press if the US administration is too gutless and immoral to do anything.
As for the ambassador's letter he can stick where the sun don't shine! The poor family, I hope they achieve some justice closure and peace one day, my heart goes out to them.
I completely agree with you and I live in the States. I can assure you though not all of us think and act, the way much of the World has every right to see this country. We have given an absolutely terrible impression, of how poorly our society behaves on so many levels. I would love to see that poor family, get some much deserved justice closure and peace.
How many times do I have to explain the law to you.
The fact that Assange is Australian makes no difference, as he is appearing before a court in the UK, which is governed by UK laws which include the ECHR.
You are not tried under Australian law in other countries just because you are Australian.
You are tried under the laws of the courts in which your trial is taking place and not the courts of your citizenship,
If Assange is extradited to the US he will not be tried under Australian Law in a US court, he will of course but tried under US Law which includes the US constitution.
On July 1, Assange filed an appeal with the High Court in London. Don't know the specifics of the appeal, presumably it was against Priti Patel's decision to sign the extradition order. Don't know the legal basis for such appeal. I believe that's the only option available to him in the UK courts. Failing that, which seems likely, he can then turn to the ECHR
All he can do then is try to take a case to the ECHR on the grounds that the UK does not have the right to extradite him to a non-signatory country, because...........
I doubt the UK will allow that to go unchallenged. It could have immense consequences for the UK in other matters.
He cannot take a case to the ECHR against the US, a non-signatory.
On July 1, Assange filed an appeal with the High Court in London. Don't know the specifics of the appeal, presumably it was against Priti Patel's decision to sign the extradition order. Don't know the legal basis for such appeal. I believe that's the only option available to him in the UK courts. Failing that, which seems likely, he can then turn to the ECHR
All he can do then is try to take a case to the ECHR on the grounds that the UK does not have the right to extradite him to a non-signatory country, because...........
I doubt the UK will allow that to go unchallenged. It could have immense consequences for the UK in other matters.
He cannot take a case to the ECHR against the US, a non-signatory.
Today (27 August 2022), marks three years since Harry's death. and there will be a memorial and the lighting of candles, at 20:00 BST on Saturday to mark the third anniversary of his death.
There will also be a memorial motorcycle ride at midday which will start outside the US Embassy in London, and which will involve biker groups from across the UK.
The family await further updates regarding the Criminal case, however reports now suggest that Sacoolas may finally appear before a British criminal court.
The family await further updates regarding the Criminal case, however reports now suggest that Sacoolas may finally appear before a British criminal court.
Ms Sacoolas would be expected to serve the beginning of her sentence in the UK, under British law. The US has previously resisted her extradition, claiming she had diplomatic immunity, which would mean she would return to the UK voluntarily.
Why would any sane person agree to give up their diplomatic immunity, be tried, convicted, and have to serve prison time in a foreign country? The article is completely preposterous. The only way she will agree to a UK trial is if there is a guarantee of no jail time. But the CPS will not agree to that, so it's not going to happen. This isn't a news article, it's pure fiction.
Why would any sane person agree to give up their diplomatic immunity, be tried, convicted, and have to serve prison time in a foreign country? The article is completely preposterous. The only way she will agree to a UK trial is if there is a guarantee of no jail time. But the CPS will not agree to that, so it's not going to happen. This isn't a news article, it's pure fiction.
This is now an active case, and as such there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice any proceedings.
So I can not comment too much, however in terms of immunity she no longer has any immunity and is a wanted person, and this will restrict her lifestyle. It also should be noted that the case has further implications in relation to UK extradition reform and could yet form the basis of an inquiry which would have further possible implications.
You just don't seem top get that a lot of people in Britain are deeply unhappy about this and that includes those sitting on the benches in the UK Parliament, with the left wing Labour party having been pushing for a full inquiry for years.
As for the case, the family have been told to prepare for the criminal court case, with Sacoolas appearing via videolink.
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Furthermore The Telegraph understands that Mr Dunn’s family have been told to prepare for a court appearance by Anne Sacoolas to face charges of causing his death when her car collided with his motorcycle three years ago this Saturday.
The hearing is expected to be held at Westminster Magistrates’ Court, with Ms Sacoolas appearing by videolink from the US - where she fled after her car hit his motorcycle when she was on the wrong side of the road near RAF Croughton, in Northamptonshire.
Why would any sane person agree to give up their diplomatic immunity, be tried, convicted, and have to serve prison time in a foreign country? The article is completely preposterous. The only way she will agree to a UK trial is if there is a guarantee of no jail time. But the CPS will not agree to that, so it's not going to happen. This isn't a news article, it's pure fiction.
You're right, it's not a news article, it's just another press release from Radd Seiger masquerading as a news report. He's a great believer in what he likes to call the power of positive thinking. For people more grounded in reality, his wishful thinking in this matter looks delusional.
If I sound antagonistic, it's because Seiger's delusions about his press campaign and its supposed power to alter reality have prolonged the suffering of Harry Dunn's family for more than three years now. It would have been much kinder to have explained to them, from the start, what diplomatic immunity is, and how it applies in this case. Then he could have helped them grieve their loss and begin to recover. Instead, he's encouraged them to bang their heads against the brick wall of reality for three years now.
At least, the BBC version of the Seiger press release is a bit more honest. It concludes by reporting, "The CPS said there was no further update on the case [since January]."
This is now an active case, and as such there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice any proceedings.
So I can not comment too much, however in terms of immunity she no longer has any immunity and is a wanted person, and this will restrict her lifestyle. It also should be noted that the case has further implications in relation to UK extradition reform and could yet form the basis of an inquiry which would have further possible implications.
You just don't seem top get that a lot of people in Britain are deeply unhappy about this and that includes those sitting on the benches in the UK Parliament, with the left wing Labour party having been pushing for a full inquiry for years.
As for the case, the family have been told to prepare for the criminal court case, with Sacoolas appearing via videolink.
No, the bit in bold is just Radd Seiger's typical wishful thinking in his press release printed by his friends at the Telegraph. It doesn't reflect reality. There is nothing in the docket for the Magistrates' Court. The CPS has said there has been no update to the status of the case since January, when the hearing was vacated.
ETA: As far as Mrs. Sacoolas being "wanted," that is just nonsense. You should, as a follower of the case, know that any international notices expired quite some time ago.
This is now an active case, and as such there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice any proceedings.
So I can not comment too much, however in terms of immunity she no longer has any immunity and is a wanted person, and this will restrict her lifestyle. It also should be noted that the case has further implications in relation to UK extradition reform and could yet form the basis of an inquiry which would have further possible implications.
You just don't seem top get that a lot of people in Britain are deeply unhappy about this and that includes those sitting on the benches in the UK Parliament, with the left wing Labour party having been pushing for a full inquiry for years.
As for the case, the family have been told to prepare for the criminal court case, with Sacoolas appearing via videolink.
The family is being lied to. She will not be participating in any UK trial in person, by video, or any other way. It's just not going to happen. Not one, but two presidents of the US have said so. What more could the US government say to convince you that she will not be available for any UK trial?
No, the bit in bold is just Radd Seiger's typical wishful thinking in his press release printed by his friends at the Telegraph. It doesn't reflect reality. There is nothing in the docket for the Magistrates' Court. The CPS has said there has been no update to the status of the case since January, when the hearing was vacated.
ETA: As far as Mrs. Sacoolas being "wanted," that is just nonsense. You should, as a follower of the case, know that any international notices expired quite some time ago.
The Magistrates Court often can deal with cases the next day after police have charged you, however the court only has limited powers and that includes sentencing.
The Magistrates hearing will just be preliminary, and they will simple refer the case to the Crown Court, which is when a trial will be scheduled.
In terms of Westminster Magistrates, the likely location would be the Central Criminal Court known as the Old Bailey.
It's also worth noting that 'A spokesman for the Dunn family declined to comment. Lawyers for Ms Sacoolas have been contacted'.
Whilst "A CPS spokesman said it had no further comment beyond its previous statement that Ms Sacoolas had a right to a fair trial. “It is extremely important there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice any proceedings,” said the organisation".
The remaining options are a trial via video link or a Trial in absentia and Anne Sacoolas will remain unable to enter the UK, which is home to US intelligence facilities.
The bigger picture in relation to the Dunn case, Assange and other cases, is likely to be renewed pressure for change in parliament, with all sides of the house backing changes to the current extradition arrangements, whilst US bases in Britain are also the subject of UK Parliamentary scrutiny and review, and the base land belongs to the British Ministry of Defence and not the US.
If Sacoolas does not stand trial then there will be increased pressure for a full Parliamentary Inquiry, which is why the US authorities have backed down and are not stating it's nothing to do with them, and is a matter between the CPS and the Sacoolas lawyers.
The US has also had to sign a new agreement clearly stating that dependents do not have immunity in any shape or form, and that no one has immunity off base in relation to Croughton, the other option being to simple close the facility.
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