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Old 07-22-2022, 11:56 PM
 
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Republicans do not murder innocent people, so your analogy is something that only an extreme leftwinger democrat would say.
I think the pro abortion crowd are a better fit with the Taliban. They relish killing the most innocent of all.

Obviously your average law abiding Republican would never commit murder but some of the shooters like the one in Buffalo held strong right wing racists views and no doubt identified politically with the Republican party
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Old 07-23-2022, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The Afghans never wanted any change dont you get it? They think little of western democracy and equal rights for women,, especially and above all equal rights for women. The status quo suits them just fine and it's only the young women of that country who will pay the price. It's a backward country, always was and always will be
So why invade and spend trillions of dollars in the first place, and then withdraw in a way that left the Taliban in a stronger position.

Why get involved in Vietnam, when both the French and British warned you not to.

As for Taiwan, again, why get involved to the extent where you have a President threatening war against a country very close to Taiwan, which is a technologically advanced nuclear power and has a population of over 1.3 Billion.

Why does Pelosi continue to get involved in matters that don't involve her, and she recently upset the Turks having sided with the Greek community, and meddles in foreign policy that often comes back to haunt the US.
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Old 07-23-2022, 05:54 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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So why invade and spend trillions of dollars in the first place, and then withdraw in a way that left the Taliban in a stronger position.

Why get involved in Vietnam, when both the French and British warned you not to.

As for Taiwan, again, why get involved to the extent where you have a President threatening war against a country very close to Taiwan, which is a technologically advanced nuclear power and has a population of over 1.3 Billion.

Why does Pelosi continue to get involved in matters that don't involve her, and she recently upset the Turks having sided with the Greek community, and meddles in foreign policy that often comes back to haunt the US.
because she is a silly ***** and its time she retired to the old politicians home.
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Old 07-23-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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So why invade and spend trillions of dollars in the first place, and then withdraw in a way that left the Taliban in a stronger position.

Why get involved in Vietnam, when both the French and British warned you not to.

As for Taiwan, again, why get involved to the extent where you have a President threatening war against a country very close to Taiwan, which is a technologically advanced nuclear power and has a population of over 1.3 Billion.

Why does Pelosi continue to get involved in matters that don't involve her, and she recently upset the Turks having sided with the Greek community, and meddles in foreign policy that often comes back to haunt the US.
In answer to the first question George Bush Junior was not the sharpest tool in the shed. He believed in regime change and replacing the Taliban with a pro-western type democracy as well as cleansing Afghanistan of terrorist groups. Afghanistan however was never governable or capable of stability. Ask the British and later the Soviets. The regime that replaced the Taliban was corrupt and inept just as the regime that replaced Saddam Hussein, both recipes for failure.

As regards Vietnam. Apparently you haven't studied 1950/60s Cold War doctrine nor heard of the Domino Theory. The theory held by American leaders and the military that the fall of South Vietnam to the Communist North would also result in the fall of Cambodia, Laos and most of south east Asia to Communism.

Taiwan is a democracy and a thriving economy with no desire for Communist domination just as the people of Hong Kong tried to protest over mainland Chinese violation of the treaty they signed with Britain back in 1997. I dont think that war is inevitable. The Chines are certainly not stupid. They bluff, born poker players

If you believe that China has a claim to Taiwan geographically do you agree then that Spain has a claim to Gibraltar for the same reason?

Pelosi can state her opinions just like any other politician. This could well be her last couple of years as Speaker..

Turkey is a key member of NATO and like other middle eastern countries is concerned about Iran. Any hurt feeling will soon blow over.
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Old 07-23-2022, 10:02 AM
 
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Obviously your average law abiding Republican would never commit murder but some of the shooters like the one in Buffalo held strong right wing racists views and no doubt identified politically with the Republican party
As several have with the democrat party.
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Old 07-23-2022, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Nancy Pelosi is destroying what remains of the special relationship, and its time the UK PM officially declared the one sided relationship dead.

Has Nancy forgotten that of the 900 odd European troops that died during the war on terror, 636 were British.

Is it time for US bases to be closed in Britain and for the Prime Minister to officially call the Special Relationship dead, as this seems to be the case with the current US administration.

I think most Brits like myself increasingly feel US forces have outlived their welcome, and that US interference in our domestic politics, which was started by Obama needs to end.

It just amazes me how US politicians can be so thick and stupid, then again with the likes of Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris nothing should be a surprise.

Nancy Pelosi has got the Northern Ireland Protocol spectacularly wrong - The Telegraph


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcjH53FOD1o
It seems the current US administration supports the break up of the UK, so no more British Army or British Military support.

Good to know who your real allies are, and on the plus side the UK will not be supporting the US in future conflicts. Never Again.

IMHO - The UK must now consider closing US bases and denounce the so called so called 'Special Relationship'.

I can only hope that rational Americans show clowns such as Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris the exit door in the mid-terms.

Nancy Pelosi: Nicola Sturgeon has been a model to women everywhere - STV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcnDyCkoEN4[/quote]

The "special relationship" is in your own mind. If you want to play ball with the US, you have to play by US rules. Even then, we will take our time deciding if we want to play with you, or not. Get in line behind New Zealand. They have been waiting almost 20 years.

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Old 07-23-2022, 11:34 AM
 
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As several have with the democrat party.
Speaking as an independent voter of many years it is getting harder and harder to place any faith in either party.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The "special relationship" is in your own mind. If you want to play ball with the US, you have to play by US rules. Even then, we will take our time deciding if we want to play with you, or not. Get in line behind New Zealand. They have been waiting almost 20 years.
The current US administration is on the way out, and the UK doesn't need a trade deal.

I have no problem with the remaining US bases close, and UK politicians have stopped using the term special relationship, it's now more of an American term.

As for the UK, the polls show that the UK will stay together, and both candidates in the current tory leadership battle are committed to the changes to the NI protocol.

In terms of defence, UK policy has shifted towards the Navy, as well as cyber, tech, AI and space, so I doubt the UK will be supporting the US as we did in Iraq/Afghanistan type conflicts in the future.

The US is not generally a good ally any more, and the most sensible UK post WW2 policy was to stay out of the Vietnam War, something which caused LBJ and the US a lot of anger.

As for trade deals, we don't want a Biden trade deal with lots of small print, and will simply wait for a different administration, and it should be noted that the EU don't have a trade deal with the US, so it's hardly essential.

In the meantime we will concentrate on our real special relationship in terms of CANZUK and the CPTPP.

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Old 07-24-2022, 08:07 AM
 
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The current US administration is on the way out, and the UK doesn't need a trade deal.
Wow, those are some sour grapes you have there. Of course the UK needs a FTA with the US. The deal was one of the promises made by your government that after Brexit that they would negotiate FTAs with countries outside of Europe. Well the US is your largest trading partner, and guess what? You are not going to get a FTA with the US, especially not the stupid one sided agreement proposed by the UK government, that offers the US nothing.

Of course the US administration will change. They change all the time. But that will not change the fact that you will not get a FTA with the US. It's just another of the broken promises of Brexit.
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Old 07-24-2022, 08:25 AM
 
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Wow, those are some sour grapes you have there. Of course the UK needs a FTA with the US. The deal was one of the promises made by your government that after Brexit that they would negotiate FTAs with countries outside of Europe. Well the US is your largest trading partner, and guess what? You are not going to get a FTA with the US, especially not the stupid one sided agreement proposed by the UK government, that offers the US nothing.

Of course the US administration will change. They change all the time. But that will not change the fact that you will not get a FTA with the US. It's just another of the broken promises of Brexit.
We have never had a trade deal with the US and either has the EU.

The UK has survived perfectly well without a US trade deal.

The UK has already signed over £1 Trillion worth of trade deals and is currently negotiating a CPTPP deal.

As for Brexit, the fact that the UK didn't want EU laws or to be part of a United Europe was a bigger factor than trade deals.

Brexit had to happen – this is why - The Independent
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