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I've lived in the Bible belt of the South, where that is practically the first thing out of someone'e mouth after "hello." You can't tell Baptists from Methodists on casual conversation.
I have to agree with you Belle, you can't tell the difference, at least where I'm from. Maybe it was just my family, but in my extended family we have had Methodists, Catholics, Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses, 7th day adventists, scientologists, and now my stepdad who was raised Pentecostal. I have been to Mass, I have been to Jehovah Witness meetings, I have been to a Methodist church where communion is open to everyone and when I was in High School, I went to the Baptist church all the time because that's where most of my friends went. I am a member of the Methodist church, but my son is going to daycare and probably on to private preschool and school at a Lutheran church. The differences in religion, don't seem to make any of us love each other less, or disrespect one another, so I guess I have a hard time understanding why some people have a hard time relating to someone who is of a different faith...What people need in this world is a big dose of understanding. We need to know that for every 10 people out there that are like you and believe as you do, there are 30 people who believe something completely different.
I have to agree with you Belle, you can't tell the difference, at least where I'm from. Maybe it was just my family, but in my extended family we have had Methodists, Catholics, Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses, 7th day adventists, scientologists, and now my stepdad who was raised Pentecostal. I have been to Mass, I have been to Jehovah Witness meetings, I have been to a Methodist church where communion is open to everyone and when I was in High School, I went to the Baptist church all the time because that's where most of my friends went. I am a member of the Methodist church, but my son is going to daycare and probably on to private preschool and school at a Lutheran church. The differences in religion, don't seem to make any of us love each other less, or disrespect one another, so I guess I have a hard time understanding why some people have a hard time relating to someone who is of a different faith...What people need in this world is a big dose of understanding. We need to know that for every 10 people out there that are like you and believe as you do, there are 30 people who believe something completely different.
Okay I think I misread Belle's post. I guess my experience is that no one has ever asked me what religion I belong to and I'm from the Bible belt. Not even in Utah (so far). In the middle of discussion if it turns to religion, I have offered up my affilliation several times, just so people know where I'm coming from, but I've never been directly asked, though it wouldn't bother me if someone did I don't think.
Exactly! My stance on it is that there are many roads to Heaven. Who is to say that one way is the only way??
Doesn't it all boil down to "Judge not, lest ye be judged" ?
My dd's boyfriend is LDS. It doesn't matter to me, and it doesn't matter to his family that we are not. His parents know that DH and I have raised her with the same morals that they have. The only difference is the religious affliliation..oh, and we drink Pepsi
Exactly! My stance on it is that there are many roads to Heaven. Who is to say that one way is the only way??
Doesn't it all boil down to "Judge not, lest ye be judged" ?
My dd's boyfriend is LDS. It doesn't matter to me, and it doesn't matter to his family that we are not. His parents know that DH and I have raised her with the same morals that they have. The only difference is the religious affliliation..oh, and we drink Pepsi
Tolerance, people, tolerance...
This is a little off track and I know this isn't the religion forum, but I was taught God's most important commandment is to love one another... I think as humans, sometimes we make religion confusing and controversial becausing we want to label everything, make up a bunch of rules to keep things organized and set people a part, however I have a feeling that really isn't how things are supposed to be. In keeping up with the rules, commitments and such I think we lose sight of the big picture of what God wants for us...... sorry if I'm a little off track...
I've lived in the Bible belt of the South, where that is practically the first thing out of someone'e mouth after "hello." You can't tell Baptists from Methodists on casual conversation.
I am from Memphis and have tons of family there. I lived there until I was eight, visited every summer and Xmas, and spent many years living there as an adult. Never has anyone ever asked me what religion I am. In fact, most southerners would consider it extremely rude to ask.
This is a little off track and I know this isn't the religion forum, but I was taught God's most important commandment is to love one another... I think as humans, sometimes we make religion confusing and controversial becausing we want to label everything, make up a bunch of rules to keep things organized and set people a part, however I have a feeling that really isn't how things are supposed to be. In keeping up with the rules, commitments and such I think we lose sight of the big picture of what God wants for us...... sorry if I'm a little off track...
i don't think that to be off-topic, especially because it is one of the few direct reasons why there is religious tension anywhere in the world, utah included.
if we could get over ourselves, and learn to accept the fact that not everyone believes, thinks, and worships like we do, then we would find peace a lot sooner in life.
same with politics; look how many people become bitter and hateful against one party or another, complaining about all of the faults of that party, while simultaneously ignoring the faults and lauding the qualities of their own party.
Irman,
No we are not Jack Mormons. We are non-white Hispanics. We have lived in East Bench Sandy for 11 years. We were fellowshiped by the Mormons a bunch of times with their unmistakable goal of getting us to join the LDS Church. When we would not we became shunned by that. Being shunned by them for not joining their churh is ok. We don't really want to associate with people that dislike us because of any combination of different religion or different heritage. We sent our two youngest children to Catholic school because treatment like that is hard on kids. One is a junior at UU and the other insisted on going to college out of UT. They both got good scholarships. I was just admonishing a poster not to give the Mormons any trouble, don't diss them, cross them, say hello (even if they don't) and just co-exist. The racist signs were reported to the police and other than having junk left on our fron yard nothing else has happened. BTW there is no hate crimes laws on the Utah books as far as I know. I was just admonishing the poster not to fight with these people over anything and being a racial and a religious minority in a wealthy area seems to create a problem. I just advised the poster that he or she cannot help the fact that they dislike non-Mormonts that won't convert and to not lose any sleep over it. Some of them wave hello and it always helps to wave back at them. BTW these people "double down" on that hatefulness if one announces that they are a Democrat. Therefore, never talk politics with a Mormon unless you are a Republican and don't say anything negative regarding Mitt Romney as he is their boy. Other than the fact that we have been exposed to dissing, snide remarks, the cold shoulder, invitations to ward activites that we go to at least once a year even only a few people talk to us not to lose faith. It is a low crime area where they may hate you for being non Mormon or Hispanic (even though they send their missionaries to Hispanic countries - it is rather obvious that they want them to establish Zion some place other than their turf) It is a clean place to live. It is scenic. There is good health care. If you have above average income you live like a king. Therefore, if the Mormons don't like you all you have to know is that a good number of people in south SLC are also not Mormons so ther is no reason for one to either be lonely or not to have friends here.
Sorry, I did not write a more proper editorial. However, no matter where one goes not everybody is going to like you and for the Mormons their church is their whole life and it keeps them busy all but Monday nights. You cannot change the way they are and they have a right to be the way they are and life goes on.
I hope I did not offend anybody as it was not my purpose. I just wanted to point out to the poster based upon having lived here for 11 years that they would feel better if they did not be gaming with the Mormons that don't like him or her because he/she did not convert. We have been through that too and it is no big thing. Isn't it really better for the Mormons to but racially hurtful signs in our yard or dog excrement on our porch and then call the police and have the police get in their faces about that than smiling back a sincere smile to a phony smile? You have to look at it their way. They feel threatened when somebody moves in that does not want to join the church and do all the things they have to do an be expected to pay 10% of their increase and have no say in what their leaders do with it.
I just meant to the poster that it is very possible to coexist with them.
i don't think that to be off-topic, especially because it is one of the few direct reasons why there is religious tension anywhere in the world, utah included.
if we could get over ourselves, and learn to accept the fact that not everyone believes, thinks, and worships like we do, then we would find peace a lot sooner in life.
same with politics; look how many people become bitter and hateful against one party or another, complaining about all of the faults of that party, while simultaneously ignoring the faults and lauding the qualities of their own party.
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I totally agree, we all need to get over ourselves. Being devoutly religious and having the heart of Christ are often two very separate things..........
The story above about the racism/religious discrimination saddens me deeply. If those things, in fact happened whomever participated has lost the whole meaning of God and it's even worse that this is 2009... however just for info, Utah does not have to have any hate laws on the books, the federal government does....
Okay I think I misread Belle's post. I guess my experience is that no one has ever asked me what religion I belong to and I'm from the Bible belt. Not even in Utah (so far). In the middle of discussion if it turns to religion, I have offered up my affilliation several times, just so people know where I'm coming from, but I've never been directly asked, though it wouldn't bother me if someone did I don't think.
I agree with you on this one OSU. I haven't been asked my religion and as you know I live in the area where you moved from. I work with two very staunch baptists. I think my boss asked me in my interview for the job what my religion was, so I told him I was LDS. He had a really different idea of LDS....pretty far fetched actually. So I explained it to him.
I think in general people in Utah are accepting of everyone.
Okay I think I misread Belle's post. I guess my experience is that no one has ever asked me what religion I belong to and I'm from the Bible belt. Not even in Utah (so far). In the middle of discussion if it turns to religion, I have offered up my affilliation several times, just so people know where I'm coming from, but I've never been directly asked, though it wouldn't bother me if someone did I don't think.
I don't think we here in Utah ask people what their religion is all that often. What I think we do instead (and it really, really bugs me, to be perfectly honest) is try to figure it out by seeing if people speak the LDS lingo or drop the right names.
When I was young (early twenties), I was working in a bank, but was really interested in getting into advertising. I got to know one of the customers, who was a vice president of one of the local ad agencies, and I approached him once about the possibility of getting an entry level with his firm. You know what he said? "Well, would you recognize a picture of [some LDS General Authority]?" I recognized the same, but I wasn't sure I'd be able to identify him in a picture even though I was LDS. I knew exactly what he was trying to do, though. He was asking me what religion I was, and was not being the slightest bit subtle about how he was going about it. (I don't think he had a clue that I saw through his question, as impossible as that may sound.) Anyway, "I said, 'Of course I would," and he seemed satisfied with my answer. I ended up getting a job at another agency where, oddly enough, I was practically the only Latter-day Saint on the staff.
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