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Old 08-08-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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He couldn't wait. National Harbor was never in the mix until recently. Peterson said "NEVER", Baker said "NEVER". Even Thomas V. "Mike" Miller, the biggest ***** for gambling interests in the Legislature said "Not at National Harbor". So to say that Cordish should have "waited' isn't even on the table.
Actually he, like all of the operators, could have waited but chose not to. In re-reading some of the articles of the time, although there may have been a verbal agreement for no additional casinos, in writing it was clear that the law could change at anytime in the future. There were also discussions at that time that neighboring states were going to consider expanding to include table games would have (and did) make Maryland's program non-competitive. That said they could have waited but decided to go forward and assume any risk that could come be it additional competition or if MD never decided to expand the program to now include other amenities like table games.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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He couldn't wait. National Harbor was never in the mix until recently. Peterson said "NEVER", Baker said "NEVER". Even Thomas V. "Mike" Miller, the biggest ***** for gambling interests in the Legislature said "Not at National Harbor". So to say that Cordish should have "waited' isn't even on the table.
So, are you saying Cordish pursued National Harbor? Or was it that he just never considered it anyway? SOmething tells me if Cordish pitched this to PG like MGM did we would be talking about National Harbor LIve or actually gambling in it. I'm just not sure Cordish was ever interested in PG. Even if PG said no, money has a way of changing hearts. We see that now with MGM. Or maybe the PG crew didn't think Cordish could pull it off and went with a sure bet?
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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So, are you saying Cordish pursued National Harbor? Or was it that he just never considered it anyway? SOmething tells me if Cordish pitched this to PG like MGM did we would be talking about National Harbor LIve or actually gambling in it. I'm just not sure Cordish was ever interested in PG. Even if PG said no, money has a way of changing hearts. We see that now with MGM. Or maybe the PG crew didn't think Cordish could pull it off and went with a sure bet?
He never pursued it, no one did, after it was made clear by all involved that National Harbor was off the table as a venue.

Think back to the incredible heavy lifting that was done to get the original legislation passed. The five sites finally authorized was all the Legislature could stomach. National Harbor was pitched at the time but the PG delegation spiked it. Without them the original sites wouldn't have passed. If I remember correctly Cordish did lobby for a southern PG site (which would have included Rosecroft).
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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He never pursued it, no one did, after it was made clear by all involved that National Harbor was off the table as a venue.

Think back to the incredible heavy lifting that was done to get the original legislation passed. The five sites finally authorized was all the Legislature could stomach. National Harbor was pitched at the time but the PG delegation spiked it. Without them the original sites wouldn't have passed. If I remember correctly Cordish did lobby for a southern PG site (which would have included Rosecroft).
Spiked under the Johnson administration I'm sure, which probably never thought National Harbor could pull it off? Or perhaps their vision was too small. Perhaps they only saw a Perryville type casino and thought it would detract from National Harbor as a top destination. I mean even Peterson probably didn't think he could pull and MGM deal back then. Somebody put a bug in their ears that made them all see things differently. I'd like to know what went down at that pivotal point where they started believing in National Harbor and PG with a world class casino.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:41 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Some of it was legislative. Remember that Ehrlich tried his entire term to get gambling and was sandbagged, mostly by Mike Busch, the entire time. O' Malley got sandbagged the same way his first try and spent the next year horsetrading for the next session. Even after that the vote was incredibly close to send it to referendum.
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Old 08-08-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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I agree that the theories/assumptions used to place gambling venues at Perryville and Ocean Downs were flawed (Ocean Downs was at least somewhat supportable) but those were the theories. I said at the time they were flawed and was shouted down. The theory that Joe Corn Farmer from East Butt **** Iowa is going to bring his kids to DC to see the sights and then pop over to National Harbor for some gambling is just as flawed and will have the same results. One casino does not a destination make.

Maybe what the operators need to do is like the one guy in Chesapeake Beach, run tour buses out of southwest VA, North Carolina and South Carolina from the various churches and have people come up to play his slot machines...............errrr, video lottery termonals.
Maybe "Joe Corn Farmer from East Butt **** Iowa" has Never gambled however Tommy from Flushings, Queens, NY took his Dime Piece Wife to DC and decides to venture outside of DC to the Maryland Suburbs to do some shopping and play a few table games.........

Again you are using a Failed argument against the NH.....

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Old 08-08-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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I wouldn't consider the areas that you spoke of problems either but there are enough to raise a concern. Either way IMO the fence has never been an issue for me. It's just like a gated community or fort Washington park for that matter? As for parking I feel the same since most garage or event parking that I go to you have to pay for and typically it is a premium. But my opinion differs from most in regards to parking and the fencing around NH. Remember the main reason for parking cost and the other safeguards were to stave off elements that made the Blvd undiesireableto most. Bottom line, as people have done to date, if you are not comfortable with the cost or the environment, don't go. If patronage dips enough (or when the demographic changes) those things will change.
Exactly........
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Maybe "Joe Corn Farmer from East Butt **** Iowa" has Never gambled however Tommy from Flushings, Queens, NY took his Dime Piece Wife to DC and decides to venture outside of DC to the Maryland Suburbs to do some shopping and play a few table games.........

Again you are using a Failed argument against the NH.....
It's only a failed argument because you don't want to admit it's valid. I'm trying to find it but slots parlors/casinos located outside of Vegas and Atlantic City get 80% of their patrons from within 50 miles. Tommy from Flushing is going to go to Atlantic City.



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Old 08-08-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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Fact the organization behind this ad went through foreclosure earlier this year. Give me a break. Any organization's or person's actions could skewed to appear in a bad light.
Foreclosure, huh? Interesting. The press release caused me to raise my eyebrows. I agree with you about actions being skewed, but there were documents obtained through a public information act request, and a lawsuit that appears to be related to lack of full compliance with the act. I wonder what if those documents actually point to backroom dealing (which would taint Baker's efforts to bring a casino to NH) or if this is sour grapes on Cloverleaf's part? Cloverleaf's contract with Penn National has been extended:

http://m.ustrotting.com/articles/article.cfm?id=49634

Either way, this whole thing is going to get uglier before the dust settles.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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Foreclosure, huh? Interesting. The press release caused me to raise my eyebrows. I agree with you about actions being skewed, but there were documents obtained through a public information act request, and a lawsuit that appears to be related to lack of full compliance with the act. I wonder what if those documents actually point to backroom dealing (which would taint Baker's efforts to bring a casino to NH) or if this is sour grapes on Cloverleaf's part? Cloverleaf's contract with Penn National has been extended:

http://m.ustrotting.com/articles/article.cfm?id=49634

Either way, this whole thing is going to get uglier before the dust settles.
It would be interesting I to see what those documents contain but if the specifically pointed or inferred a back room deal in writing well lets just say that would not be the smartest move. It will definitely get uglier as we get closer to November and beyond. Penn National has already said they would discontinue horse racing if they don't get the casino. Totally reverse of the message they had when they purchased.
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