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Is there an inside joke here that I'm missing or something?
I think we should all just erase this word from our vocabulary, or some of us here might become suddenly overwhelmed with involuntary tics at its mere mention.
Because people from cold places who are secretly torn up inside and would rather live somewhere warm try to cast their native climate into something it's not with the label subtropical. The rest of us call them out for it and then the fun begins.
Because people such as Koppen gave certain places a sub-tropical classification, when they are anything but. So we have the problem that many areas are considered "sub-tropical" purely from going by his hugely flawed system, when they do not fit the typical view most would have as sub-tropical... For example, to me somewhere that has hot summers & cold winters is not sub-tropical, but continental, yet Koppen considers many climates like this as sub-tropical, when most consider sub-tropical climates to be warm year round...
Because people such as Koppen gave certain places a sub-tropical classification, when they are anything but. So we have the problem that many areas are considered "sub-tropical" purely from going by his hugely flawed system, when they do not fit the typical view most would have as sub-tropical... For example, to me somewhere that has hot summers & cold winters is not sub-tropical, but continental, yet Koppen considers many climates like this as sub-tropical, when most consider sub-tropical climates to be warm year round...
another problem is how do you define warm? for some having a 6c mean in january is warm enough. for others they only think 12c+ winters is warm enough.
The term contains the word "tropical", which is where the problem lies. Subtropical climates aren't "allowed" to have cool winters, however, there's never any issue with subarctic climates that have warm summers. I honestly find it funny.
There's also some disagreement on what is "continental" and "temperate", but those aren't as controversial.
Because people from cold places who are secretly torn up inside and would rather live somewhere warm try to cast their native climate into something it's not with the label subtropical. The rest of us call them out for it and then the fun begins.
The term contains the word "tropical", which is where the problem lies. Subtropical climates aren't "allowed" to have cool winters, however, there's never any issue with subarctic climates that have warm summers. I honestly find it funny.
There's also some disagreement on what is "continental" and "temperate", but those aren't as controversial.
But the very fact that the word is sub-tropical should give you a clue as to what climate type it should be...
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sub-
1. a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin ( subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy ); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” ( subalpine; substratum ), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” ( subcolumnar; subtropical ), “secondary,” “subordinate” ( subcommittee; subplot ).
Sub-tropical should mean just falling short of a tropical climate, or a climate that is almost or nearly tropical
To be fair, I can kind of see where Infamous is coming from. Oulu is considered subarctic, but is definitely not nearly arctic, or just short of being arctic.
I still don't think New York is subtropical, though.
But the very fact that the word is sub-tropical should give you a clue as to what climate type it should be...
Sub-tropical should mean just falling short of a tropical climate, or a climate that is almost or nearly tropical
But that would mean "subtropical" is more of a characteristic of specific "almost tropical" locations as opposed to being its own climate type. I don't think the tiny "almost tropical" zone is deserving of its own classification, unless the same is done for all of the other climate classifications, but that's just my opinion.
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To be fair, I can kind of see where Infamous is coming from. Oulu is considered subarctic, but is definitely not nearly arctic, or just short of being arctic.
I still don't think New York is subtropical, though.
It is though.
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Originally Posted by flamingGalah!
Exactly, that just shows how flawed the Koppen classifications are
It isn't just Koppen, many of the northern subtropical cities (under Koppen's system), like DC and NYC, are still borderline subtropical under Trewartha's classifications, I guess that system is flawed as well, lol.
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