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Not interested in where you're going with this, but the Swedish-speaking minority (into which I belong BTW) is not an ethnic minority, but a linguistic one.
These 2 wouldn't have been ID'd without NJSP going to Facebook, when the homeowner in Pittsgrove Twp, Salem County, got them on surveillance. They got people to share the video. Nice job nabbing those guys!
Thank for for injecting some common sense into this. I would have been very surprised if UK police are really trained to shoot for any reason other than killing. It doesn't work that way. No police likely anywhere in the world are taught that. 1. it is an ineffective way to neutralize an active threat. 2. aiming anywhere other than center mass increases the risk of bystanders getting hit.
Common sense? Be nice if you sometimes used some...
UK police armed response units do NOT have a shoot to kill policy. I quote:
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Even if faced with a gunman or gunmen on the rampage, the unit would not have orders to shoot to kill, but would be told to use minimum force. They would not be “firing the maximum number of bullets” and their actions would be subject to the criminal law.
The only instance where they may shoot to kill is an armed terrorist who was shooting members of the public, but even then the policy is still not shoot to kill:
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Is there a shoot-to-kill policy for terrorists?
The Metropolitan police commissioner, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, insisted on Tuesday that there was no shoot-to-kill policy.
He told LBC radio: “I can make it clear that we do not have a shoot-to-kill policy. The law says that the police can use reasonable force, firstly to stop a crime, and secondly, to arrest someone who is putting someone else in danger. If someone’s life is at risk, a police officer can intervene. If they are armed or otherwise so dangerous, we can stop them.” He added that officers “work within the law”.
An armed police officer faced with a terrorist on a shooting spree has no special legal status. They are subject to the criminal law and the law of self defence.
The decision to shoot is the officer’s alone. They are legally responsible for each and every shot they decide to fire. For the shots to be legal, they must show they were acting in the defence of themselves or others and that their actions were proportionate. Section three of the 1967 Criminal Law Act reads: “A person may use such force as is reasonable in the prevention of crime.”
If an officer honestly believes someone poses a threat to their life, or to the life of others, reasonable force may be used.
Police in the UK rarely kill criminals, even those with guns unless absolutely necessary. Just accept that the US is a nation full of gun fanatics & trigger happy police...
Even if faced with a gunman or gunmen on the rampage, the unit would not have orders to shoot to kill, but would be told to use minimum force. They would not be “firing the maximum number of bullets” and their actions would be subject to the criminal law.
No, madness is every single cop having a gun & shooting people left right & centre for no bloody reason!
Yet any criticism of the police means you're a cop hater and any attempt for common sense gun control is an attack on the second amendment. This country...
Standards have changed, though. That's certain. In the US, the fleeing felon doctrine permitted lethal force against even a fleeing felon. This principle was handed down through English common law. The Supreme Court invalidated it. But there are still vestiges of the doctrine intact - for example, prison guards have orders to shoot to kill escaped prisoners.
It's a hell of a lot more successful than the US police model! Which is just a symptom of your ridiculous & crazy gun culture & laws...
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